Return-path: X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:27:37 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MzYbM-0001ps-FU; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:27:26 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MzYab-0001ox-53 for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:26:37 -0700 Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.146]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MzYa7-0001mJ-HD for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:26:34 -0700 Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n9IGPtj3017502 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:25:55 -0400 Received: from MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id d.d4e.5e13a4df (29672) for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:25:53 -0400 (EDT) From: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:26:52 EDT Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: What would happen if xu and ko were put together? To: jbovlaste@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d4e.5e13a4df.380c9bcc_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 for Windows XP sub 11501 X-AOL-SENDER: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 2637 Lines: 69 --part1_d4e.5e13a4df.380c9bcc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/18/2009 03:22:34 Eastern Daylight Time, cowan@ccil.org writes: > Okay, that eliminates the priority question: "ko klama ma" is simply > "ko klama zo'e .ije do klama ma". So that's a *third* possible > interpretation. Lojban is supposed to be the language where you may not > know what someone meant, but you always know what they said. But with > sentences like this, I have no clue what they said. Recapping: > > "Where are you going? Go there." (no dominance) > > "Tell me where you are going and go there." (command dominates) > > "Where are you going, and are you obeying my order to go there." > (question dominates) > I wonder if any of this 'command+question' issue would have arisen if the creators of Lojban had simply chosen an imperative marker, maybe in UI, rather than an imperative pronoun. mu'o mi'e stevon --part1_d4e.5e13a4df.380c9bcc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a messag= e dated 10/18/2009 03:22:34 Eastern Daylight Time, cowan@ccil.org writes:


Okay, that eliminates= the priority question: "ko klama ma" is simply
"ko klama zo'e .ije do klama ma".  So that's a *third* possible
interpretation.  Lojban is supposed to be the language where you= may not
know what someone meant, but you always know what they said.  But= with
sentences like this, I have no clue what they said.  Recapping:

"Where are you going?  Go there."  (no dominance)

"Tell me where you are going and go there."  (command dominates)

"Where are you going, and are you obeying my order to go there."
(question dominates)


I wonder if any of this 'command+question' issue would have arisen if= the creators of Lojban had simply chosen an imperative marker, maybe in= UI, rather than an imperative pronoun.

mu'o mi'e stevon --part1_d4e.5e13a4df.380c9bcc_boundary--