Return-path: X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:05:42 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NLIqo-0001xX-71; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:05:18 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:04:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NLIpz-0001vx-TD for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:04:24 -0800 Received: from n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com ([68.142.237.92]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NLIpr-0001le-RR for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:04:23 -0800 Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2009 16:04:09 -0000 Received: from [216.252.111.169] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2009 16:04:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp104.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2009 16:04:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 4505.79017.bm@omp104.mail.re3.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 12066 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2009 16:04:08 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1261065848; bh=ZqugpeCeNdq+DeqqLeVO3GbuepX/umU7OjA34PviIn4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kP81+tXAmf/F4QlZdndkVbv/PVdXxv/kYUgkl2MG5TBMQeE7LjJB76+rX6WecMaLluywiFQrCUivvRoGRxyZq6222mrDGCUUV0oLZhGOzcgJQ6y6ZSrVgiR9VQeZgBSbjbjGXtlEZxPRGTYIOoc4BRamnFRYJZPzARDwZHQW8KA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yLtd/5kMOY9MG2fNg2w/IZg5dAFfZXu7UzVc1NWKooFNWaf5UR5AC+jbE8xdvIc8n2sn15E2FPlH2VEKMZ/BYguK9AkthS1fzq0jeIhyabJ4y6QfOaxx3uZyDte7Am6wp01ZgVwLDYtjZAWDB0Z1vOlt4WaF1p32i+WOg8qweiQ=; Message-ID: <875980.10944.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: NFla7qEVM1m_.5r6bMSKUYRhz2nwgOH4sWmHX81jA6dC.3f_10HltdNKv_KZs.oTJl5cs9RsIp1xbe3iATA31NilH4kfkN7us_wrLwEICYpez5Ci9JphENoY1MFZWMbrDJ_72F1OdES1g5YuOKTUaEjiCCByh5C5cV.SPoxYwdj0MUAb063hfjDc62bjqyQkD0yAAG8fUnFIUdRq7utcI3BkvJJjCoDETtcpJHrz9t_BxwRDek7megjEf6xArcS.y5gOr73SAAbvZKWdi9DJFLeLTgkAcHBCA2rJQ8af9.0ru0bKiA-- Received: from [99.229.170.85] by web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:04:08 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/240.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <783860.88389.qm@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <96f789a60912161145l65ed1dbbled03d08fd64a4421@mail.gmail.com> <20091216202545.GK32323@mercury.ccil.org> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:04:08 -0800 (PST) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Proposed lujvo To: jbovlaste@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <20091216202545.GK32323@mercury.ccil.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 589 Lines: 20 > > In addition, "optimistic" and "pessimistic" are incurably ambiguous > in English.  "I'm optimistic about Obama's second term" can mean that > you hope he has one, or that you hope the event of his having one is a > good thing. I don't think so.  It's the use of linguistic short cuts or perhaps sloppiness that makes the above statement ambiguous.  Written properly, it could be either: "I'm optimistic about Obama's being voted in for a second term" or "I'm optimistic about Obama having a successful second term".  In both cases "optimistic' means the same thing. totus