Return-path: X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:05:42 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NLIqo-0001pS-70; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:05:18 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:04:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NLIpo-0001nS-Fv for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:04:13 -0800 Received: from n73.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com ([98.136.44.191]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NLIpf-0001ew-Pb for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:04:12 -0800 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n73.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2009 16:03:57 -0000 Received: from [68.142.237.89] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2009 16:03:57 -0000 Received: from [66.196.114.75] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2009 16:03:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp304.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2009 16:03:57 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 425315.70628.bm@omp304.mail.re3.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 46600 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2009 16:03:57 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1261065837; bh=MEBHe1I1ITlVyrm3xc513/ShmDAhWMXzDRvMlbEoLnc=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=V+nRiGQdMPykXPc1zhKQFIEn5N79NFIveMD0oMMFCoBzPOeM0WkP9rySEjuc4vhbXsC+LK5irbFc70aN8i/45qjfonoz+Wjjj+FUnpCTWx6dRJljwVrK1cpRMm+ly7uUsNFzVQ/teuwesRNigg2liK4q4gdcrJWFVDIJs50M0fw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kDeNcYIB01JcrVewunQkI82rvR3xYSnZoXeOTFnA3g4gJm8t7bkAnVAkZUVwKfKxJRlHF7ITC4pohAXnJJsQSHVL+F2H/q0jZdTMByw+Vuryevr9O6WC8IFxjNkctpLFaqmsSC9NzBpexn6ePEVrL63x5NLxB8IfTv8xu2jVG+8=; Message-ID: <284104.45789.qm@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: MCFtWI8VM1lucPypTZWL7G6fWhcdL2rm..SYTmWdshBroCwIGW9QWC68M2NiTJ9z2m75S6Ecnjwmlzhk0Jvq6HWLhyKc4TQMBq6L5bGTChEaB.twSlRBx9mp58sb5Vt5MZRzRFxUzHwh8ceLhNsJFjvbSc4Ap0xR3384xbW1N.I3GHbS8_SFwBYOr4uRjvaQw5WvCW_KcsHwXgn1oKr2oIpwqh_OzbDy.yS1yv3AdheQUdLtF42GWwpsrhkKwHDlJZQ7x40HP4dq33nJLERf1Tm69maYGOgWodxh.XJo3KAeSaiLwA-- Received: from [99.229.170.85] by web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:03:57 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/240.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <783860.88389.qm@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <96f789a60912161145l65ed1dbbled03d08fd64a4421@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:03:57 -0800 (PST) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Proposed lujvo To: jbovlaste@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <96f789a60912161145l65ed1dbbled03d08fd64a4421@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 1125 Lines: 45 I realize {malba}, {zanba} and {pacna} are all problematical and have been hotly disputed.   Expectation is a key component of being optimistic or pessimistic, but I don't want to use {kanpe} as it is experimental.. I guess I was hiding behind the 'any lujvo can mean anything' screen!  In place of {pacna} then I would propose {jijnu}.  I prefer {jijnu} to {cinmo} as {jijnu} implies one coming to some sort of conclusion whereas {cinmo} may be the emotional result of such a conclusion. > > 1) xagjijnu (optimistic)   j1 jijni lodu'u lonu x1 xamgu x2 x3 ku'o fasnu kei j3   j1 xagjijnu j3   > > > > 2) xlajijnu (pessimistic)   j1 jijni lodu'u lonu x1 xlali x2 x3 ku'o fasnu kei j3   j1 xlajijnu j3   > > 3) xlamukpa'a (cynical) > > > > p1 is cynical about the motives of m3 with regard to action/event m2 > > > >   Same comment as above.  I'd think cynical would be more xlamu'ixu'a, > or xlamu'ijijnu or xlamukcni an assertion/intuition/feeling that > someone has a "bad" motive, not a hope that they do. So how about: {j1 jijnu lodu'u m3 termu'i m2 lo xlali kei j3} {j1 xlamu'ijijnu m3 m2=j3}. totus