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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:52:37 -0800 (PST)
From: "A. PIEKARSKI" <totus@rogers.com>
Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: bikspu biksku capsidba'u pipkla
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=0A=0A=0A>=0A>From: Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>=0A>To: jbovlaste@lo=
jban.org=0A>Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 1:12:44 PM=0A>Subject: [jbovlaste]=
 Re: bikspu biksku capsidba'u pipkla=0A>=0A>ahh, so it could be used as a s=
narl/growl like a dog makes when it is threatening to do harm to whomever i=
t is growling at. =A0bacru makes sense to me in that sense then since bacru=
 always gave me the impression of emphasizing the fact that you're making s=
ound, not=A0necessarily=A0that you're communicating with language. =A0 =0A>=
=0A>=0A>Do you think there's a place for an x4 for what provoked the capsid=
ba'u? =A0If not, how would you express that?=0A>=0A>Well, if a place for th=
e agent/event of provocation was not justified in {capti'i}, then it can't =
be justified in {capsidba'u}.=A0 I would probably use a modal tag such as {=
mu'i}=0A>=0A>totus=0A>=0A>On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 8:56 AM, A. PIEKARSKI <to=
tus@rogers.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>>>=0A>>> On Saturday 13 February 2010 16:=
07:45 A. PIEKARSKI wrote:=0A>>>=0A>>> capsidba'u(snarl/growl)=0A>>>=0A>>> b=
1 capsidba'u s2 s3=0A>>> b1=0A>>> snarls/growls the threat of idea/action s=
2 at audience s3=0A>>=0A>>What veljvo are=0A>>> you thinking of? This word =
decomposes to "ckape stidi bacru",=0A>>but to me=0A>>> "snarl" or "growl' d=
enotes a tone of voice, not a dangerous=0A>>suggestion. And=0A>>> a snarl o=
r growl can be a wordless selcmo as well as a=0A>>>=0A>>sentence.=0A>>=0A>>=
You are right to question it, Pierre.=A0 I forgot about the gloss.=A0 One o=
f=0A>>reasons that beings growl or snarl is to threaten or initimidate.=A0 =
So the=0A>>gloss here should have been:=0A>>=0A>>growl; make threatening so=
und=0A>>=0A>>totus=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>=0A>
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=3D2 face=3DTahoma><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Lu=
ke Bergen &lt;lukeabergen@gmail.com&gt;<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: b=
old">To:</SPAN></B> jbovlaste@lojban.org<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sun, February 14, 2010 1:12:44 PM<BR><B><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [jbovlaste] Re: bikspu biksku ca=
psidba'u pipkla<BR></FONT><BR>ahh, so it could be used as a snarl/growl lik=
e a dog makes when it is threatening to do harm to whomever it is growling =
at. &nbsp;bacru makes sense to me in that sense then since bacru always gav=
e me the impression of emphasizing the fact that you're making sound, not&n=
bsp;<I>necessarily</I>&nbsp;that you're communicating with language. &nbsp;=
 =0A<DIV><BR></DIV>=0A<DIV>Do you think there's a place for an x4 for what =
provoked the capsidba'u? &nbsp;If not, how would you express that?</DIV>=0A=
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>Well, if a place for the agent/event of provocatio=
n was not justified in {capti'i}, then it can't be justified in {capsidba'u=
}.&nbsp; I would probably use a modal tag such as {mu'i}<BR></DIV>=0A<DIV>t=
otus<BR></DIV>=0A<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 8:56 AM, =
A. PIEKARSKI <SPAN dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A href=3D"mailto:totus@rogers.com" rel=3D=
nofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:totus@rogers.com">totus@rogers.c=
om</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrote:<BR>=0A<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px s=
olid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Dgmail_quote>=0A=
<DIV class=3Dim><BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; On Saturday 13 February 2010 16:07:45 A. P=
IEKARSKI wrote:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; capsidba'u(snarl/growl)<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; b1 =
capsidba'u s2 s3<BR>&gt; b1<BR>&gt; snarls/growls the threat of idea/action=
 s2 at audience s3<BR><BR>What veljvo are<BR>&gt; you thinking of? This wor=
d decomposes to "ckape stidi bacru",<BR>but to me<BR>&gt; "snarl" or "growl=
' denotes a tone of voice, not a dangerous<BR>suggestion. And<BR>&gt; a sna=
rl or growl can be a wordless selcmo as well as a<BR>&gt;<BR>sentence.<BR><=
BR></DIV>You are right to question it, Pierre.&nbsp; I forgot about the glo=
ss.&nbsp; One of<BR>reasons that beings growl or snarl is to threaten or in=
itimidate.&nbsp; So the<BR>gloss here should have been:<BR><BR>growl; make =
threatening sound<BR><BR>totus<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>=0A<DI=
V><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></div></body></html>
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