Return-path: X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:28:13 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NlRO4-0006Bp-3n; Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:27:44 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:26:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NlRN8-0006Be-V2 for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:26:39 -0800 Received: from mail-vw0-f53.google.com ([209.85.212.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NlRN4-0006AI-DS for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:26:38 -0800 Received: by vws17 with SMTP id 17so396925vws.40 for ; Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:26:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ovnUSdcmRVoWUne/3ReZovSoSA6jCU7ZqcMhzhcrnKs=; b=SCcMEVIxADT93g/4nErbHaDcfHsQZn2fNPK9FN1nTemWDFbscuZtRQiXDa2ygEh2KF xkLrPut93+PiSooAZnDnKXJRSs9f6dy4DD0t6U6W/wN9DOYI1s6ssXF77mzHfhPnlq3u gwbZl7D7clZPeFlcL5sWGZxK75E1VapjDS9SQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=enIK/oFM2itwic2vDodM8xldiA+jijfMYD+Ty2QQU1Q1GLx3giAvzjCJzA0YOAosJJ 9kGh5o4v8IxD70lqOCoYLi39JtYnEyPAZHDNOEsmzl/MRXIv72gxtK8klnYRXvr9R5Gk YV5+ALHpWZUEPwZ5/lcdyqWW/wm0S3cv8GYfQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.126.205 with SMTP id d13mr473943vcs.184.1267295188199; Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:26:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4de8c3931002251116g7ed835a0r680c29d0b7ca37e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9301002231246w218ac892lb1b4f5cd15e36b75@mail.gmail.com> <201002240035.18280.phma@phma.optus.nu> <23f4e3391002232254y656b226epa409c002fde7adb8@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301002232332m32ce5c4ep8bc04f98a4add7c4@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3931002240401w52945f9du6db99bacc6dab7c1@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301002240621kc509cd3u8140a30e162c1902@mail.gmail.com> <23f4e3391002241425o170edc5dge38d323e6efd720a@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3931002251116g7ed835a0r680c29d0b7ca37e1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:26:28 -0500 Message-ID: <5715b9301002271026m1aa00bd8xd4ca1179ae6c6efb@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: new word: prolijmo'a From: Luke Bergen To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504501634b84a88d04809927ab X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 5534 Lines: 122 --00504501634b84a88d04809927ab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 After reading through the chapter on lujvo making in the CLL I'm beginning to wonder how important it really is to perfectly describe exactly what you want to mean. If I were making a tanru to mean "checker pattern" I might need to use vlina kurfa dasri morna. But if the true meaning of a lujvo comes from it's definition and not strictly it's component gismu (we remove {sel} and {nun} all the time) then do we really need to describe it perfectly with ba'u 50+ gismu? Also, it seems to me that if only a couple of gismu are necessary to describe an idea without other ideas intersecting with it, why add more? Is there anything more obvious than "checker pattern" for kurfa morna to mean? Maybe later if someone wants to describe that pattern that a tic-tac-toe board makes they could make a bigger lujvo that pulls {linji} into it. But do we need to make every lujvo as big as the biggest lujvo necessary? Therefore, unless many people object, I'm going to create a new word kurmo'a (I've already voted down prolijmo'a). I'll wait for a bit in case anybody is violently opposed to kurmo'a P.S. Sorry if my wording is awkward. I blame english for my lack of talent in expressing ideas clearly and straight-forwardly. On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:16 PM, tijlan wrote: > On 24 February 2010 22:25, David Gowers <00ai99@gmail.com> wrote: > > I just found vlina in gismu.txt: > > > > vlinykursrimo'a > > > > I'm pretty happy with that as a description of checkerboard patterns. > > it covers: > > a) that a checkerboard is made up of colors which are mutually > > exclusive (not necessarily just two overall, though.. just that two > > adjacent squares of the same color are not possible) > > b) that the elements are right angled rectangles, not merely 'right > > angled lines' > > (this leaves the possibility of uneven width ribbons, which I > > think is reasonably > > described as an eccentric or irregular checkerboard) > > c) that it's a pattern :) > > And, for those who find it lengthy, it could be shortened into a fu'ivla: > > vlinksrmo > > > > --00504501634b84a88d04809927ab Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After reading through the chapter on lujvo making in the CLL I'm beginn= ing to wonder how important it really is to perfectly describe exactly what= you want to mean.

If I were making a tanru to mean &quo= t;checker pattern" I might need to use vlina kurfa dasri morna. =A0But if the true meani= ng of a lujvo comes from it's definition and not strictly it's comp= onent gismu (we remove {sel} and {nun} all the time) then do we really need= to describe it perfectly with ba'u 50+ gismu? =A0Also, it seems to me = that if only a couple of gismu are necessary to describe an idea without ot= her ideas intersecting with it, why add more? =A0Is there anything more obv= ious than "checker pattern" for kurfa morna to mean? =A0Maybe lat= er if someone wants to describe that pattern that a tic-tac-toe board makes= they could make a bigger lujvo that pulls {linji} into it. =A0But do we ne= ed to make every lujvo as big as the biggest lujvo necessary?=A0

<= span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: collapse;">Theref= ore, unless many people object, I'm going to create a new word kurmo= 9;a (I've already voted down prolijmo'a). =A0I'll wait for a bi= t in case anybody is violently opposed to kurmo'a

P.S. =A0Sorry if my wording is awkward. =A0I b= lame english for my lack of talent in expressing ideas clearly and straight= -forwardly.

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 a= t 2:16 PM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
On 24 Feb= ruary 2010 22:25, David Gowers <00ai= 99@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just found vlina in gismu.txt:
>
> vlinykursrimo'a
>
> I'm pretty happy with that as a description of checkerboard patter= ns.
> it covers:
> a) that a checkerboard is made up of colors which are mutually
> exclusive (not necessarily just two overall, though.. just that two > adjacent squares of the same color are not possible)
> b) that the elements are right angled rectangles, not merely 'righ= t
> angled lines'
> =A0 =A0(this leaves the possibility of uneven width ribbons, which I > think is reasonably
> =A0 =A0 described as an eccentric or irregular checkerboard)
> c) that it's a pattern :)

And, for those who find it lengthy, it could be shortened into = a fu'ivla:

vlinksrmo




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