Return-path: X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:04:48 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NlcGZ-0002g9-Is; Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:04:38 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:04:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NlcG2-0002g2-NM for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:04:02 -0800 Received: from mail-vw0-f53.google.com ([209.85.212.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NlcFz-0002fq-C2 for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:04:02 -0800 Received: by vws17 with SMTP id 17so498893vws.40 for ; Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:03:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rWtYz9CMM/1nxDfVkoANXvxLQaz6kSP5CcBUky0FwRc=; b=TVSCgZA8ocIe8jK+fsY7+S+2ehlutYghQMbsE5p1hdMBF12g2923bMAS9NR5m3OOk8 5YmuEW6BfjjGM/y9O8O82M+VkHlhDXor6oHg1/5b6458PpIliRyLpeGHRiWM6rqXUUfF 145t0BCG2dzoU5MUAprJHDB7A3QTLe4l+KQIw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=q9qIOZs+8SfAD0HbYYR3DPV9oVorAYMITjsoWOS8LRVtB7eO5JOxompVFGJxNCwQ3z genqXjRNuoElBg2q1BDa0oNj7sgFwZ7iXaClZ1e+l0DHgTuFavpSjhG38cBCMKH69tPi 2ZMEdXLvoBBuPxlB2JFLHW/3wVkt3FzbdCPRQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.89.83 with SMTP id d19mr1900315vcm.209.1267337032603; Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:03:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <23f4e3391002272055r61ea3d28p48f7a6e2938dcf7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9301002231246w218ac892lb1b4f5cd15e36b75@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301002232332m32ce5c4ep8bc04f98a4add7c4@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3931002240401w52945f9du6db99bacc6dab7c1@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301002240621kc509cd3u8140a30e162c1902@mail.gmail.com> <23f4e3391002241425o170edc5dge38d323e6efd720a@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3931002251116g7ed835a0r680c29d0b7ca37e1@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301002271026m1aa00bd8xd4ca1179ae6c6efb@mail.gmail.com> <23f4e3391002271407w151d01d3kf65a3c16e073709e@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301002271647p832f33fjcdc199987a4a8826@mail.gmail.com> <23f4e3391002272055r61ea3d28p48f7a6e2938dcf7f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 01:03:52 -0500 Message-ID: <5715b9301002272203n1298a022rb317265938c6ab2@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: new word: prolijmo'a From: Luke Bergen To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163631073ba398990480a2e55d X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 5359 Lines: 118 --00163631073ba398990480a2e55d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >That's not really very similar to a checkerboard at all IMO. When I said that all those other things are specific variations of the basic "checker pattern" I meant that they are all a basic {square type-of pattern} BUT with a bunch of other attributes that make them distinct and unique (pixel art tiles having the additional attributes of being art, having many colors, each square being a pixel, etc...) On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:55 PM, David Gowers <00ai99@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Luke Bergen > wrote: > >>checkboards, uneven and even grids, bricks or pavement tiling, tartan, > >>certain carpet patterns, zigzag stitching, pixel art tiles > >>(particularly the older, low res ones)... > > So these would be those words that I was talking about when I said > >> Maybe later if someone wants to describe that pattern that a tic-tac-toe > >> board makes they could make a bigger lujvo that pulls {linji} into it > > I think checker boards, pixel art tiles, and a brick wall all exhibit a > > pattern that is a variation on the basic, standard check pattern. > Don't agree on pixel art tiles. In general, any seamlessly wrapping > piece of pixel art qualifies as kurmo'a, because , even if it depicts > a circle, it does so by the composition of rectangular/square elements > in a grid (where the pixels are often shown large enough to see > individual ones clearly.) That's not really very similar to a > checkerboard at all IMO. > > > So, is it > > fair to say that the more general/standard the idea, the smaller the > lujvo > > can comfortably be? While the more specific/non-standard/varied ideas > get > > longer lujvo? > > e.g. {cicti'a} = "storm" but when we want to get more specific we have > > {bifyvilcarvi} = "windstorm" > > So for instance, I wanted to define the word originally because I wanted > to > > translated "handsome checked suit". That seems like a pretty general use > of > > the word to me. > > Fair enough. I probably need to do more reading of CLL. > > > > --00163631073ba398990480a2e55d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >That's not really very= similar to a=A0checkerboard at all IMO.

When I said that all those other things are specific variations of the= basic "checker pattern" I meant that they are all a basic {squar= e type-of pattern} BUT with a bunch of other attributes that make them dist= inct and unique (pixel art tiles having the additional attributes of being = art, having many colors, each square being a pixel, etc...)

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:55 = PM, David Gowers <= 00ai99@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>checkboards, uneven and even grids, bricks or pavement tiling, tart= an,
>>certain carpet patterns, zigzag stitching, pixel art tiles
>>(particularly the older, low res ones)...
> So these would be those words that I was talking about when I said
>>=A0Maybe later if someone wants to describe that pattern that a tic= -tac-toe
>> board makes they could make a bigger lujvo that pulls {linji} into= it
> I think checker boards, pixel art tiles, and a brick wall all exhibit = a
> pattern that is a variation on the basic, standard check pattern.
Don't agree on pixel art tiles. In general, any seamlessly wrappi= ng
piece of pixel art qualifies as kurmo'a, because , even if it depicts a circle, it does so by the composition of rectangular/square elements
in a grid (where the pixels are often shown large enough to see
individual ones clearly.) That's not really very similar to a
checkerboard at all IMO.

>=A0So, is it
> fair to say that the more general/standard the idea, the smaller the l= ujvo
> can comfortably be? =A0While the more specific/non-standard/varied ide= as get
> longer lujvo?
> e.g. =A0{cicti'a} =3D "storm" but when we want to get mo= re specific we have
> {bifyvilcarvi} =3D "windstorm"
> So for instance, I wanted to define the word originally because I want= ed to
> translated "handsome=A0checked suit". =A0That seems like a p= retty general use of
> the word to me.

Fair enough. I probably need to do more reading of CLL.




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