Return-path: X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:07:25 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NlqLl-0005Wl-Cp; Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:07:04 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:05:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NlqKd-0005VN-Af for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:05:43 -0800 Received: from mail-vw0-f53.google.com ([209.85.212.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NlqKJ-0005QK-Re for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:05:40 -0800 Received: by vws16 with SMTP id 16so85430vws.40 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:05:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=IBNs7K4nYPgAje5r5XCQ1lWeR87j7JH2c28CBWeXAt8=; b=foB6IiR8MgUS10OHSzZi2t1vtB8HRV80w67eSVVwsEKT44wj2Qff22eiGrBdzYV0Cy eRcxC9Iqu4sIeI3jCTmuyZO9qyxJhSO7j+iTm740bgF1u5OLKzCr7mlTb4ffJ8fGEuho UcsRcGQcvuSnZbDKz8Saw1QaQDziE+WOKrvDI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=AnhO9bH5bYH6edmmOlmLsqtyEpsdPDACaRdk/BUlfat4pAw1kMCkeO0WIX14kDE+kb UuqkdqcdtONTiugn236RSYJIEx4KVu/DUqfWrwWaRjNubn3svF7RMq09LU6AVRv1UWXN m4JFAhllvyQ6wNbXElEvGngp3OL/uMOZ1H3kA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.108.34 with SMTP id d34mr2559890vcp.35.1267391117107; Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:05:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4de8c3931002280409t66f137b4v4d8c6c14f4333acd@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9301002231246w218ac892lb1b4f5cd15e36b75@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301002232332m32ce5c4ep8bc04f98a4add7c4@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3931002240401w52945f9du6db99bacc6dab7c1@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301002240621kc509cd3u8140a30e162c1902@mail.gmail.com> <23f4e3391002241425o170edc5dge38d323e6efd720a@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3931002251116g7ed835a0r680c29d0b7ca37e1@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301002271026m1aa00bd8xd4ca1179ae6c6efb@mail.gmail.com> <23f4e3391002271407w151d01d3kf65a3c16e073709e@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301002271647p832f33fjcdc199987a4a8826@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3931002280409t66f137b4v4d8c6c14f4333acd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:05:17 -0500 Message-ID: <5715b9301002281305j327ca847g6b89d6600c8cf848@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: new word: prolijmo'a From: Luke Bergen To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f8c24ad53a9560480af7d1c X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 5434 Lines: 115 --00c09f8c24ad53a9560480af7d1c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I like that idea. Similarly maybe a {kelta'o} is the basic idea of a game board of some kind but then you can expand as needed. For instance a {kucycukykelta'o} for a tic-tac-toe board. In coming up with that example, though, I realized something. Most games will be made with fu'ivla. Is it legal to make a lujvo from a rafsi + fu'ivla like {caxmatikelta'o} = chess board? On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 7:09 AM, tijlan wrote: > On 28 February 2010 00:47, Luke Bergen wrote: > >>checkboards, uneven and even grids, bricks or pavement tiling, tartan, > >>certain carpet patterns, zigzag stitching, pixel art tiles > >>(particularly the older, low res ones)... > > So these would be those words that I was talking about when I said > >> Maybe later if someone wants to describe that pattern that a tic-tac-toe > >> board makes they could make a bigger lujvo that pulls {linji} into it > > I think checker boards, pixel art tiles, and a brick wall all exhibit a > > pattern that is a variation on the basic, standard check pattern. So, is > it > > fair to say that the more general/standard the idea, the smaller the > lujvo > > can comfortably be? While the more specific/non-standard/varied ideas > get > > longer lujvo? > > e.g. {cicti'a} = "storm" but when we want to get more specific we have > > {bifyvilcarvi} = "windstorm" > > If "storm" is basic to the meaning of "windstorm", we might want it be > morphologically reflected upon lujvo. In spite of their semantic > hierarchy, {bifyvilcarvi} does not *appear* to be so based on > {cicti'a}, but radically differing in their components. More > reasonable would be {bif-cic-ti'a} as "windstorm" based on {cic-ti'a} > as "storm". Predictable lujvo like these (or their relationships > thereof), are also probably more friendly to most beginners; if they > see {bifcicti'a}, they would immediately *see* that its meaning is a > specified instance of {cicti'a}, and {cicti'a} of {ti'a/tcima}; and, > if they have {cicti'a} but want to get more specific about it in their > own expressions, they would know they have to add some specifying > component(s) to the basic one, rather than radically swapping it with > a whole different set of components (like {bifyvilcarvi}). > > > > --00c09f8c24ad53a9560480af7d1c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I like that idea. =A0Similarly maybe a {kelta'o} is the basic idea of a= game board of some kind but then you can expand as needed. =A0For instance= a {kucycukykelta'o} for a tic-tac-toe board.

In com= ing up with that example, though, I realized something. =A0Most games will = be made with fu'ivla. =A0Is it legal to make a lujvo from a rafsi + fu&= #39;ivla like {caxmatikelta'o} =3D chess board?

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 7:09 AM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.co= m> wrote:
On 28 February 2010 00:47, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>checkboards, uneven and even grids, bricks or pavement tiling, tart= an,
>>certain carpet patterns, zigzag stitching, pixel art tiles
>>(particularly the older, low res ones)...
> So these would be those words that I was talking about when I said
>>=A0Maybe later if someone wants to describe that pattern that a tic= -tac-toe
>> board makes they could make a bigger lujvo that pulls {linji} into= it
> I think checker boards, pixel art tiles, and a brick wall all exhibit = a
> pattern that is a variation on the basic, standard check pattern. =A0S= o, is it
> fair to say that the more general/standard the idea, the smaller the l= ujvo
> can comfortably be? =A0While the more specific/non-standard/varied ide= as get
> longer lujvo?
> e.g. =A0{cicti'a} =3D "storm" but when we want to get mo= re specific we have
> {bifyvilcarvi} =3D "windstorm"

If "storm" is basic to the meaning of "windstorm"= , we might want it be
morphologically reflected upon lujvo. In spite of their semantic
hierarchy, {bifyvilcarvi} does not *appear* to be so based on
{cicti'a}, but radically differing in their components. More
reasonable would be {bif-cic-ti'a} as "windstorm" based on {c= ic-ti'a}
as "storm". Predictable lujvo like these (or their relationships<= br> thereof), are also probably more friendly to most beginners; if they
see {bifcicti'a}, they would immediately *see* that its meaning is a specified instance of {cicti'a}, and {cicti'a} of {ti'a/tcima};= and,
if they have {cicti'a} but want to get more specific about it in their<= br> own expressions, they would know they have to add some specifying
component(s) to the basic one, rather than radically swapping it with
a whole different set of components (like {bifyvilcarvi}).




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