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PIEKARSKI" Subject: [jbovlaste] Two awkward lujvo To: jbovlaste@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam_score: 0.7 X-Spam_score_int: 7 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: coi ro do Here is a proposal for lujvo that are alternatives to 'awkward' lujvo currently in jbovlaste. 1) jdikyplini (dwarf planet). [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [68.142.237.92 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.5000] -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 2061 Lines: 55 coi ro do Here is a proposal for lujvo that are alternatives to 'awkward' lujvo currently in jbovlaste. 1) jdikyplini (dwarf planet). Until recently, planets beyond Neptune (i.e. Pluto and Eris) were {plini} like all the others, and asteroids were {cmaplini} or {plinycma}.  Since Pluto and Eris have been downgraded by the International Astronomical Union to a new non-planet category: 'dwarf planets', a new lujvo would be useful.  {cmaplini/plinycma} would be the obvious name - if it were not already used for 'asteroid'. I see two options: either redefine {cmaplini/plinycma} to mean 'dwarf planet or create a new lujvo.  I'm reluctant to suggest the redefinition of {cmaplini/plinycma } - the old one has been in use for some time, so I propose {jdikyplini} for 'dwarf planet'.  The implied reduction refers is a reduction to their importance.   jdikyplini: j1is a dwarf planet revolving around j2with characteristics j3, orbital parameters j4.   2)snukarni ([shared journal]/blog)   Yes, there is a lujvo {kibykarni} already in jbovlaste that means 'blog'.  However, it's based on an experimental gismu.  There are two problems with that; - Experimental gismu should be 'tested in the marketplace' for acceptability etc before becoming official. If the experimenatal gismu fails, so will the derived chain of lujvo that are based on it.  Clearly, lujvo based on experimental lujvo should be avoided if there is reasonable alternative based on baselined gismu. - Testing of lujvo based on experimental gismu only makes sense if it is involves a comparison with an alternative lujvo based on baselined gismu.  Which is better? So there has to be an alternative and, right now, there isn't one.   So I propose:   snukarni: k1 is a [shared journal]/blog about topic/subject k2=c2 published/administered by k3 for participants/audience k4=c1   I would think there is generally no need to specify that the blog is internet-based, but if there is, you can always use {snukarni tecu'u lo mujyseltcana}.   Comments please.   totus