Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no version=3.3.0 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:00:56 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O26st-00081s-70; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:00:23 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:59:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O26rc-00081h-Ur for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:59:01 -0700 Received: from web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.188]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O26rW-00080L-M9 for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:59:00 -0700 Received: (qmail 98033 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2010 17:58:47 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1271267927; bh=1a6AMrMnLHR7/feOJTdFODjOf7rvA4KwImYwZpuTXSw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gRUH4SJefsW1tWKH/mWAvA5yoHeLnIJJfXtyBd0IAdYnjovktIoiAx/WcdT6RnAWRIPQuUornWekHaF1AWBz9XSMqz3UbV3XFFLJ6DBkL1cKi2BIl+CYvapqTPqc0UHfvlevp3oGEjOnVpkDx9OxkZsXG+mYqHo0bsyY4v4FrLE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UuujmZIk2UnWAktF71QWp+WdqG4Na74ye/FmvCbd94f2btTvyp1BHiGz/pz/HSI28N0aLv2K9a7EvvCe7Z6TekdTFMi5TvPNiSj+NgAzS5+FVXsT+D8OxmP/ZdeXmADP1kctYzNrB5yDmHTy/aq+j39Gg7cqZ074iKG63NluB/s=; Message-ID: <130411.96485.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: .8oPyG8VM1laIXOqoLPu2Y7x2pju3RXvNMEC2ga5xwD7lhP UjV9HObAa71GZ37n6I10Hw90LmgYOhJfb7WU_IWip8fU2gNAyqqD43FZ8djg 1cV3SHTO7LJhUgjra1ZgFUicmPVv.B3eW0XT2KS64kp.GNg2mqDUwuu6QL09 uVP_B8N301WGRwz8vx79gJkpP7eH.6Ul0.KfY0f32YdgiHQB5fm49L26iTHF ocIL.xBojytT2gnTHxOJ6VwGec893lVghvNGFMTD_8n4DxMNR5rR762ZrcnE aGb_P6h6yUogZc8cjFw-- Received: from [99.229.170.85] by web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:58:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:58:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [jbovlaste] ci'erkei To: jbovlaste@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 525 Lines: 26 coi ro do ci'erkei is found in gi'uste but not jbovlaste. So here is a proposed definition: k1 plays game k2=c1, governed by rules c2 interrelating game parts (physical or conceptual) c3 which comes from: ciste: c1 (mass) system interrelated by structure c2 among components c3 (set) displaying c4 (ka) and kelci: k1 [agent] plays with plaything/toy k2 I'm not really happy with c2 as 'structure' and "rules' are not quite the same to me, and we don't play with games but in them. Any othere suggestions? totus