Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.0 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:17:36 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O285T-0006hB-2N; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:17:26 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O284o-0006h4-N4 for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:16:42 -0700 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.150]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O284k-0006gT-Gu for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:16:42 -0700 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so139582qwc.58 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:16:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:received:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Y6L6Lr6CK8AiXJsUIzEkQ7V9iQXDBhh5P1mBO7MOoyw=; b=gP01jTmzNwrttf/G57tB4elTqtNLqkm9L1xOtZT/OLVGGYSEwE+9DBotSV+2+9qRUd hZDKKf7/XVzvhMeHiGTIj2sMWz8nANbJHCy9WHlpSjLmRsbLmT/1lVhGjOwbH6AhCQTV 9QyNhkd8PLo2CFiAHBsh+Sv6k8vT9iHrlOxzg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=JuRP+I3VjpHuqvDuNhfO4+lf6Lspz7TBCCNVTKFNpRXHrUfkZ5W4F6AFbTcnyWzbRg hLmFdKvDrqv4LYdfZh0pHd4qzeVZXcqwaC3b3pDvXSv3ieTRlOnxUMZ6nsrToHRRFE2w uM5ZMW20ZAgsyrECRyD328a5flt1we+/oO7jU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.39.197 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:16:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <130411.96485.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <130411.96485.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:16:36 -0400 Received: by 10.229.246.82 with SMTP id lx18mr7304995qcb.80.1271272596688; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: ci'erkei From: Michael Turniansky To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 673 Lines: 27 On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:58 PM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > coi ro do > > > ci'erkei is found in gi'uste but not jbovlaste. > > So here is a proposed definition: > > k1 plays game k2=c1, governed by rules c2 interrelating game parts > (physical or conceptual) c3 > > which comes from: > > ciste: c1 (mass) system interrelated by structure c2 among > components c3 (set) displaying c4 (ka) > and > kelci: k1 [agent] plays with plaything/toy k2 > > I'm not really happy with c2 as 'structure' and "rules' are not > quite the same to me, and we don't play with games but in them. > You play "in" Monopoly, Scrabble, Risk, etc? New to me! --gejyspa