Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.0 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Sat, 01 May 2010 01:36:20 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O888I-00020k-6K; Sat, 01 May 2010 01:33:10 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Sat, 01 May 2010 01:29:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O884n-00020e-V7 for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Sat, 01 May 2010 01:29:30 -0700 Received: from mail-qy0-f183.google.com ([209.85.221.183]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O884j-0001zy-DD for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Sat, 01 May 2010 01:29:29 -0700 Received: by qyk13 with SMTP id 13so1467395qyk.1 for ; Sat, 01 May 2010 01:29:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=D24pVpegEybUN5SnB2aQMUcjEOHUPpaSpaFjykdCtTE=; b=mAzzseUa1zU152dsZKGnkiHshChT31/azdW/PGobPFk34eWXPRSIMWPyp1zhsuJEnq SBEyFjHzvb4lu/PVw4XhIPPtX97WZsF0e3I1lpODK3f7VsyldfTvxZy6YMlMzFoJdoHH HjhrUOeQfq1OdqKzkh+wQz10sFwhMocx7pWeE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=M0Bt3a6ymcqutH+Y9C41fsuRDXHy7ML3tc1pCoLslamT2K668z1K5tjrUchtaJy6YX SIZpW/qb7rr97KTmqpQ54nf6mNX6OOGtjSyKR5shONhL8RUjsWbA4fPkjlFCfL7ZDCMo sbEoV26fqHyxRMyQE7O8MIRgZMy1Yal24fOus= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.246.82 with SMTP id lx18mr748912qcb.80.1272702558790; Sat, 01 May 2010 01:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.1.222 with HTTP; Sat, 1 May 2010 01:29:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <378561.69364.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <378561.69364.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 09:29:18 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 94fba84e2f592122 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Fw: Re: tropical cyclone From: tijlan To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64bff44ebe5e504858427cb X-Spam_score: 0.7 X-Spam_score_int: 7 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 1 May 2010 03:05, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > One more thought. If {taifnu} were the valsi for typhoon, > why not {carbi'e} for tornado? > Yes. That would actually correspond to their somewhat different terminological nature: « The terms hurricane and typhoon are regionally specific names for a strong "tropical cyclone". » http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon If "typhoon" is regional while "tornado" is not evidently so, it would make sense to have a fu'ivla for the former to reflect some sense of its regionality or even cultural specificity (in this case, the perceived fact that Chinese "táifēng" is most likely the source of many differX-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jbotijlan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 4569 Lines: 93 --0016e64bff44ebe5e504858427cb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 1 May 2010 03:05, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > One more thought. If {taifnu} were the valsi for typhoon, > why not {carbi'e} for tornado? > Yes. That would actually correspond to their somewhat different terminological nature: =C2=AB The terms hurricane and typhoon are regionally specific names for a strong "tropical cyclone". =C2=BB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon If "typhoon" is regional while "tornado" is not evidently so, it would make sense to have a fu'ivla for the former to reflect some sense of its regionality or even cultural specificity (in this case, the perceived fact that Chinese "t=C3=A1if=C4=93ng" is most likely the source of many differen= t language words for "typhoon".) But then it might not be appropriate for {taifnu} to generically mean "tropical cyclone", let alone "cyclone" (which occurs on Mars and Neptune a= s well). The international naming conventions guided by WMO (World Meteorological Organization) are: Hurricane (the North Atlantic Ocean, the Northeast Pacific Ocean east of the dateline, or the South Pacific Ocean east of 160E) Typhoon (the Northwest Pacific Ocean west of the dateline) Severe tropical cyclone (the Southwest Pacific Ocean west of 160E or Southeast Indian Ocean east of 90E) Severe cyclonic storm (the North Indian Ocean) Tropical cyclone (the Southwest Indian Ocean) related to these divisions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Specialized_Meteorological_Centre#Maj= or_basins Furthermore: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_cyclone_scales --0016e64bff44ebe5e504858427cb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 1 May 2010 03:05, A. PIEKARSKI <totus@rogers.com>= wrote:
One more thought.=C2=A0 If {taifnu} were the valsi for typhoon,
why not {carbi'e} for tornado?
=
Yes. That would actually correspond to their somewhat different termino= logical nature:
=C2=A0=C2=AB The terms hurricane and typhoon are regiona= lly specific names for a strong "tropical cyclone". =C2=BB
=C2=A0http://en.wikipedia.= org/wiki/Typhoon
If "typhoon" is regional while "torn= ado" is not evidently so, it would make sense to have a fu'ivla fo= r the former to reflect some sense of its regionality or even cultural spec= ificity (in this case, the perceived fact that Chinese "t=C3=A1if=C4= =93ng" is most likely the source of many different language words for = "typhoon".)

But then it might not be appropriate for {taifnu} to generically mean &= quot;tropical cyclone", let alone "cyclone" (which occurs on= Mars and Neptune as well). The international naming conventions guided by = WMO (World Meteorological Organization) are:

=C2=A0Hurricane (the North Atlantic Ocean, the Northeast Pacific Ocean = east of the dateline, or the South Pacific Ocean east of 160E)
=C2=A0Typ= hoon (the Northwest Pacific Ocean west of the dateline)
=C2=A0Severe tro= pical cyclone (the Southwest Pacific Ocean west of 160E or Southeast Indian= Ocean east of 90E)
=C2=A0Severe cyclonic storm (the North Indian Ocean)
=C2=A0Tropical cycl= one (the Southwest Indian Ocean)

related to these divisions:
=C2= =A0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Specialized_= Meteorological_Centre#Major_basins

Furthermore:
=C2=A0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_cyclone_scales
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