Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no version=3.3.0 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Sat, 01 May 2010 05:32:46 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O8Bp4-000276-U8; Sat, 01 May 2010 05:29:37 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Sat, 01 May 2010 05:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O8Bkn-00026P-TO for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Sat, 01 May 2010 05:25:06 -0700 Received: from web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.192]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O8Bki-00023s-3C for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Sat, 01 May 2010 05:25:05 -0700 Received: (qmail 82483 invoked by uid 60001); 1 May 2010 12:24:53 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1272716692; bh=HQCXwEgyMUrpjXH/tmSnv3oxOdP0JKkFQLgqjkOYGcU=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=15poulIPCgYmOFVw2ahDVaagtWoexqzuHfkRYnKcrwwks0MQ5LOTml4KMSiiGgHvFUP36f0zR6dVdNQGG36l5HbSaFZM7ebjXNLgd9QKZw0pclekznOPRrVa1eCO6LtePaG+SUL/8f76oM5gbgDq74fmYQkuHiIu0/Yj5YCcxhA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=E//9Rgv1R8wbIiPBjMEa/7Td+1xmggln3IW0S6CLHz87qDbhSGCU7UWU2zgNi3DXtJkcF3yZhLM3U81kfm5T5IUp3K8FeNBbq5tjCPlh8LXa5oreET5tREXXg+LarSrENRepBlOwWXczyfTSD8ukW06ScLMv7RnlNDcFvwwZzzY=; Message-ID: <946703.79385.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: D_8IWx0VM1lu4k5ZHMKxu2Gh28H76.XPAnPUcvoP0TcihhF 1xZjSSOmL.XjTE0Phg2KI0v_.ZAS3UXw5PBk3aSBkcj7vV54zQh3yh6dmtKF vzulI6CMFLVt0iIDSjM0UBIPhZ.I5yTA1zfkfGWUKronUlMS5q0socATy.fX xLDqIjgtnQ7d9cMree4dGQ5bfqrxl7CD3W6FT1jhyooOjhOdqUAU_kdnveeB qV0HIvcChEslIHAsRVC_5d3lPuYs902mcQOjlcuwZ89gOkNTD6Uru8VHEPgV YFDoQ1atMm5YdjMm7IW2e41oRmSWzxFcJS6y0J9w6Hi_GKiWX3ELZOOKrzXw 7x3TaDbj5dGtDrX_xH.IQ.KgBb4I7KzXi Received: from [99.229.170.85] by web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 May 2010 05:24:52 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.102.267879 References: <378561.69364.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 05:24:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Fw: Re: tropical cyclone To: jbovlaste@lojban.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-881406115-1272716692=:79385" X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 2930 Lines: 47 --0-881406115-1272716692=:79385 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0A=0A>Yes. That would actually correspond to their somewhat different t= erminological nature:=0A>=C2=A0=C2=AB The terms hurricane and typhoon are r= egionally specific names for a strong "tropical cyclone". =C2=BB=0A>=C2=A0h= ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon=0A>If "typhoon" is regional while "torn= ado" is not evidently so, it would make sense to have a fu'ivla for the for= mer to reflect some sense of its regionality or even cultural specificity (= in this case, the perceived fact that Chinese "t=C3=A1if=C4=93ng" is most l= ikely the source of many different language words for "typhoon".)=0A>=0A>Bu= t then it might not be appropriate for {taifnu} to generically mean "tropic= al cyclone", let alone "cyclone" =0A>=0A>Right.=C2=A0 What I suggested was = {taifnu} for typhoon/hurricane/cyclone and {carbi'e} for tornado/waterspout= .=0A>The rest can be handled with tanru e.g Mars cyclone: {lo vonplini taif= nu}, waterspout: {lo xamsi carbi'e}.=0A>=0A>totus=0A> --0-881406115-1272716692=:79385 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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Yes. That would actually correspond to their som= ewhat different terminological nature:
 =C2=AB The terms hurricane = and typhoon are regionally specific names for a strong "tropical cyclone". = =C2=BB
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If "typhoo= n" is regional while "tornado" is not evidently so, it would make sense to = have a fu'ivla for the former to reflect some sense of its regionality or e= ven cultural specificity (in this case, the perceived fact that Chinese "t= =C3=A1if=C4=93ng" is most likely the source of many different language word= s for "typhoon".)

But then it might not be appropriate for {taifnu} = to generically mean "tropical cyclone", let alone "cyclone"
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Right.  What I suggested was {taifnu} for typhoon/h= urricane/cyclone and {carbi'e} for tornado/waterspout.
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The res= t can be handled with tanru e.g Mars cyclone: {lo vonplini taifnu}, watersp= out: {lo xamsi carbi'e}.
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