Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.0 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 13:50:23 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O7x9u-0006wD-5t; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 13:50:06 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Fri, 30 Apr 2010 13:49:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O7x8z-0006w1-Nk for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 13:49:05 -0700 Received: from mail-qy0-f187.google.com ([209.85.221.187]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O7x8t-0006v7-4b for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 13:49:05 -0700 Received: by qyk17 with SMTP id 17so822817qyk.21 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=QxkfdNzSljIEh6GW1KBtMShUyR+f+ysD+oPOF3TQsPI=; b=V1FiC5SElrqvkPR1pDy2P6LqNzbStoaIy8SWJ2r998elsXHrXjnEbV6IGlh67jRQ1D eYb/PgqvO+PJRCStNMYcGr9vvegCVW1harVS+GUH1SKA0QM1gotcZWWoLaEkKGmxhdZd B9pyeingBWIrRkh7qZtVOJ2p3D4D+S0Ubk8Qk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=DcMGMTVpHrUpAHQVAW5ZZ4Tzc7wCq75vMBiRsPcsW6VpEb4hp0yZFiVENI483tFLVm yLveUxgTIdLIC+NvQilPQ5ldWv+wHj3i3UZxlAMkdoXf0L1jiFa6s70DVreNV70lI2/m 4SsL1nSnfJB0gvxMsRZLDhuEj6ZARTU8QjM7w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.65.145 with SMTP id j17mr4402556qai.238.1272660524415; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 13:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.1.222 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 13:48:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:48:44 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ee5f6d18ad2d987e Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: tropical cyclone From: tijlan To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f9b05e87bedd304857a5e42 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jbotijlan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 3374 Lines: 86 --00c09f9b05e87bedd304857a5e42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/4/30 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas > On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 3:13 PM, tijlan wrote: > > > > A longer brivla for "cyclone" might be "plinytercarmitkemcukfle" > > (plini-te-carna-mintu-ke-cukla-flecu), monstrous as typical; for > "tropical", > > "plinyselrajrurpau" (plini-se-sraji-sruri-pagbu). > > lujvo are not meant to be definitions. > But I think it's also important to make their definitions predictable from their forms. The above monsters were intentional extremes to give people a detailed sens= e for each concept and of which one might make a stripped-down version. > > What alternative nicer lujvo can you suggest? > > "carbi'e" > Wouldn't that be a hypernym of "cyclone" and "tornado", which can be distinguished? > "solnitku'e" > I like it. There might be other concepts which would fit this lujvo, but I guess it's not a problem for the time being. --00c09f9b05e87bedd304857a5e42 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2010/4/30 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas = <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 3:13 PM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> A longer brivla for "cyclone" might = be "plinytercarmitkemcukfle"
> (plini-te-carna-mintu-ke-cukla-flecu), monstrous as typical; for "= ;tropical",
> "plinyselrajrurpau" (plini-se-sraji-sruri-pagbu).

lujvo are not meant to be definitions.

But I= think it's also important to make their definitions predictable from t= heir forms.

The above monsters were intentional extremes to give peo= ple a detailed sense for each concept and of which one might make a strippe= d-down version.
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> What alternative nicer lujvo can you suggest?

"carbi'e"

Wouldn't that be= a hypernym of "cyclone" and "tornado", which can be di= stinguished?
=C2=A0
"solnitku'e"

=C2=A0I like it. There = might be other concepts which would fit this lujvo, but I guess it's no= t a problem for the time being.
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