Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.0 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:44:57 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O7ywt-0006Zn-7N; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:44:47 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O7ywN-0006Zg-8H for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:44:11 -0700 Received: from mail-qy0-f183.google.com ([209.85.221.183]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O7ywI-0006Z8-4C for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:44:10 -0700 Received: by qyk13 with SMTP id 13so992425qyk.1 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:44:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=XyzBNk4GxGOghX6HpSaII4cI/QaUIzEsSMeN5IWaaUo=; b=ktI5KvSZBMu2xQ6cEDhY3MEWdwGBV+4YwlsO3fpfJfFJGy9Z3biXhq2SEGZbteLG23 5orZTqGu8kv84wOpusKJhEqKPJkqh78TUtdv4PDoR3wK+HTiM4vbtfH1IxO/TXn6cS0K BZnqjg//D9f8l2z+6tGVInkr+rog4REn269Ec= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=BCe/GXsEP4rvr9e/6AfwxKjyKweRmDpPuOACe5HcAyadly1Ca70hHzII+CiuQqeXfk H+Bhc16fe2HZ8ETlyjSziR7hyw7LyAO8BRyezY0yn2m89R15rSIMp1wTQqFjbKnCVe8g wH7jFgmQg3rGrIY9D/oZQHC/B4EP8H39+8qK4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.238.72 with SMTP id kr8mr616263qcb.76.1272667439842; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.1.222 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:43:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:43:59 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 76640013c8d07d4e Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: tropical cyclone From: tijlan To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64c2600ab446104857bfaef X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jbotijlan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 3375 Lines: 74 --0016e64c2600ab446104857bfaef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/4/30 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas > On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 5:48 PM, tijlan wrote: > > 2010/4/30 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas > >> > >> "carbi'e" > > > > Wouldn't that be a hypernym of "cyclone" and "tornado", which can be > > distinguished? > > What's the difference? Sea vs land? "xamsi carbi'e" vs "tumla carbi'e"? > A tornado too can occur over a sea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterspout A more major difference seems to be this: a tornado typically forms beneath and in contact with a cloud such as a cumulonimbus cloud which is not itsel= f the tornado; a cyclone/hurricane/typhoon typically reaches the upper end of the troposphere (i.e. above clouds) and comes in a much larger scale than a typical tornado's, and the whole aerial area including the clouds constitue= s the phenomenon of the cyclone. I think "carbi'e" is fine for both "cyclone" and "tornado". And we probably want a more specific brivla for each. Maybe "balcarbi'e" for "cyclone". --0016e64c2600ab446104857bfaef Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2010/4/30 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas = <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 5:48 PM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2010/4/30 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
>>
>> "carbi'e"
>
> Wouldn't that be a hypernym of "cyclone" and "torna= do", which can be
> distinguished?

What's the difference? Sea vs land? "xamsi carbi'e"= vs "tumla carbi'e"?

A tornado too c= an occur over a sea:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterspout

A more major difference seems to be this: a tornado typically forms ben= eath and in contact with a cloud such as a cumulonimbus cloud which is not = itself the tornado; a cyclone/hurricane/typhoon typically reaches the upper= end of the troposphere (i.e. above clouds) and comes in a much larger scal= e than a typical tornado's, and the whole aerial area including the clo= uds constitues the phenomenon of the cyclone.

I think "carbi'e" is fine for both "cyclone" an= d "tornado". And we probably want a more specific brivla for each= . Maybe "balcarbi'e" for "cyclone".
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