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From: "A. PIEKARSKI" <totus@rogers.com>
Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Alice in Wonderland 04
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=0A=0Ami se cfipu lo nu do jimpe lo du'u lo kabri be lo litki cu srana lo g=
rana =0A=0A>=0A>Sorry, I still consider my lojban to be pretty rough. =A0Ba=
sically, what on earth =0A>would make me want to refer to a bowl of liquid =
wax with a wick floating on a =0A>piece of=A0buoyant=A0material a "wax rod"=
? =A0=0A>=0A>I agree.=A0 But nobody has yet commented on {laktytergu'i} whi=
ch is already in =0A>jbovlaste.=0A>That is shown as 'g3=3Dl1 is a candle/wa=
x light with wax source l2'. which seems =0A>to be wrong as =0A>=0A>the x3 =
of gusni is the source of the light i.e. the burning candle.=A0 So =0A>{lak=
tergu'i} should be the candle =0A>=0A>and lakygu'i the candle light.=A0 Sim=
larly {ctilytergu'i} would be an oil lamp.=0A>=A0=0A>totus=0A>=0A>=0A>How a=
bout:=A0=0A>jelylakse for generic "candle"=0A>lakyga'a for the specific kin=
d of jelylakse that is a candle-stick (the hard wax =0A>stick type)=0A>fluj=
elylakse for the floating candle type=0A>...=0A><rafsi for whatever mechani=
sm the wick uses to burn the fuel>jelylakse for =0A><mechanism the wick use=
s to burn the fuel> type of jelylakse.=0A>=0A>=0A>On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 3=
:18 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>On Tue, Jul 13, 20=
10 at 11:37 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:=0A>>=0A>>On Tuesda=
y 13 July 2010 21:22:01 Kevin Reid wrote:=0A>>>> That its fuel is wax, or t=
hat its fuel is solid and also forms its=0A>>>> mechanical structure?=0A>>>=
>=0A>>>> Candles can be made of other materials than wax; for example, tall=
ow=0A>>>> and spermaceti, per dict.org. And one could perhaps burn wax in w=
ays=0A>>>> which would not qualify for being a candle.=0A>>>=0A>>>There is =
a device consisting of a container of a flammable liquid (which =0Acould=0A=
>>>be wax; there are liquid waxes), with a thing floating on the liquid and=
 a=0A>>>wick stuck through the thing. Is it a candle?=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>la'edi=
'u .e la'ede'u mintu zo lakyga'a lonu mi jimpe=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>>Pierre=0A>>>=
=0A>>>--=0A>>>I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm =
in Wales.=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>-- =0A>>mu'o mi'e .aionys.=
=0A>>=0A>>.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu=0A>>=0A>>=0A>
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<html><head><style type=3D"text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></he=
ad><body><div style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:1=
2pt"><DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><BR></FONT><BR>mi se cfipu lo nu do =
jimpe lo du'u lo kabri be lo litki cu srana lo grana </DIV>=0A<BLOCKQUOTE s=
tyle=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LE=
FT: 5px">=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-S=
IZE: 12pt">=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, =
serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">=0A<DIV><BR></DIV>=0A<DIV>Sorry, I still consider m=
y lojban to be pretty rough. &nbsp;Basically, what on earth would make me w=
ant to refer to a bowl of liquid wax with a wick floating on a piece of&nbs=
p;buoyant&nbsp;material a "wax rod"? &nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DI=
V>I agree.&nbsp; But nobody has yet commented on {laktytergu'i} which is al=
ready in jbovlaste.</DIV>=0A<DIV>That is shown as 'g<SUB>3</SUB>=3Dl<SUB>1<=
/SUB> is a candle/wax light with wax source l<SUB>2'. which seems to be wro=
ng as </SUB></DIV>=0A<DIV><SUB>the x3 of gusni is the source of the light i=
.e. the burning candle.&nbsp; So {laktergu'i} should be the candle </SUB></=
DIV>=0A<DIV><SUB>and lakygu'i the candle light.&nbsp; Simlarly {ctilytergu'=
i} would be an oil lamp.</SUB></DIV>=0A<DIV><SUB></SUB>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>=
<SUB>totus</SUB></DIV>=0A<DIV><BR></DIV>=0A<DIV>How about:&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<D=
IV>jelylakse for generic "candle"</DIV>=0A<DIV>lakyga'a for the specific ki=
nd of jelylakse that is a candle-stick (the hard wax stick type)</DIV>=0A<D=
IV>flujelylakse for the floating candle type</DIV>=0A<DIV>...</DIV>=0A<DIV>=
&lt;rafsi for whatever mechanism the wick uses to burn the fuel&gt;jelylaks=
e for &lt;mechanism the wick uses to burn the fuel&gt; type of jelylakse.</=
DIV>=0A<DIV><BR>=0A<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 3:18 AM=
, Jonathan Jones <SPAN dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" r=
el=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com">eyeonus@=
gmail.com</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrote:<BR>=0A<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #cc=
c 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Dgmail_qu=
ote>=0A<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>=0A<DIV class=3Dim>On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at =
11:37 PM, Pierre Abbat <SPAN dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A href=3D"mailto:phma@phma.optu=
s.nu" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:phma@phma.optus.nu">=
phma@phma.optus.nu</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrote:<BR>=0A<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-=
LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: =
1ex" class=3Dgmail_quote>=0A<DIV>On Tuesday 13 July 2010 21:22:01 Kevin Rei=
d wrote:<BR>&gt; That its fuel is wax, or that its fuel is solid and also f=
orms its<BR>&gt; mechanical structure?<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Candles can be made =
of other materials than wax; for example, tallow<BR>&gt; and spermaceti, pe=
r <A href=3D"http://dict.org/" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>dict.org</A>.=
 And one could perhaps burn wax in ways<BR>&gt; which would not qualify for=
 being a candle.<BR><BR></DIV>There is a device consisting of a container o=
f a flammable liquid (which could<BR>be wax; there are liquid waxes), with =
a thing floating on the liquid and a<BR>wick stuck through the thing. Is it=
 a candle?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>=0A<DIV><BR>la'edi'u .e la'ede'u mintu zo =
lakyga'a lonu mi jimpe<BR></DIV>=0A<DIV class=3Dim>=0A<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"=
BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; PADDING=
-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Dgmail_quote>=0A<DIV>=0A<DIV></DIV>=0A<DIV><BR>Pierre<BR=
><BR>--<BR>I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in =
Wales.<BR><BR><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV><FONT color=3D#8=
88888><BR><BR clear=3Dall><BR>-- <BR>mu'o mi'e .aionys.<BR><BR>.i.a'o.e'e k=
o klama le bende pe denpa bu<BR><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></D=
IV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></div></body></html>
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