Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 07:26:01 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OZPNQ-0005Za-B2; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 07:25:36 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Thu, 15 Jul 2010 07:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OZPMq-0005Yb-0f for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 07:24:52 -0700 Received: from mail-vw0-f53.google.com ([209.85.212.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OZPMf-0005NH-QI for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 07:24:51 -0700 Received: by vws15 with SMTP id 15so1445993vws.40 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 07:24:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=6CncYwSfiHKSjowpidR57cPtjQDzXrbhC5mDhTUDWdI=; b=dPGs2ZOsiKznkfERe/PDFkR+WfseKTtLtsUeeMCHxJYSdCciSoTfzV2QRrMalCK8gU HHWkMAUIrUpH9mWfQ4sqyDaDMplqPbxfiSXHTJBQ/dNbXrnRaQTy8qf4EoI9cR/MIXeD KG8eB2tTcN1PiCxSrlkQZ/dfOILGtrzhcDWmM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=eRue+w0QqdFJc7GRNn/4HgaqayTi2rx7ssHQQEJOOrKmDyvlNl+Trsfcpkr3iUNsTM gvNwMaGdGE5y8gq5oulK1tpe/3MQV0TwFU5kMrRM4yba9iou6oIcWS0QVUaYXMB9AuuQ BYufvT2Lw/eo85/VSZc+A8kuyt/ClvRtSF1Zk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.87.70 with SMTP id v6mr997327vcl.226.1279203875241; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 07:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.76.204 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 07:24:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <929237.27373.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <423185.69906.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <568EA804-F736-4E46-BA52-69A9F675FAEC@switchb.org> <201007140137.01692.phma@phma.optus.nu> <929237.27373.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 10:24:35 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Alice in Wonderland 04 From: Luke Bergen To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6464ec4944101048b6ddcdc X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 6633 Lines: 164 --0016e6464ec4944101048b6ddcdc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Weird, I didn't see a reply. This is what I saw: On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 9:44 AM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > > > mi se cfipu lo nu do jimpe lo du'u lo kabri be lo litki cu srana lo grana > > > Sorry, I still consider my lojban to be pretty rough. Basically, what on > earth would make me want to refer to a bowl of liquid wax with a wick > floating on a piece of buoyant material a "wax rod"? > > I agree. But nobody has yet commented on {laktytergu'i} which is already > in jbovlaste. > That is shown as 'g3=l1 is a candle/wax light with wax source l2'. which > seems to be wrong as > the x3 of gusni is the source of the light i.e. the burning candle. So > {laktergu'i} should be the candle > and lakygu'i the candle light. Simlarly {ctilytergu'i} would be an oil > lamp. > > totus > > How about: > jelylakse for generic "candle" > lakyga'a for the specific kind of jelylakse that is a candle-stick (the > hard wax stick type) > flujelylakse for the floating candle type > ... > jelylakse for > type of jelylakse. > > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 3:18 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >> >>> On Tuesday 13 July 2010 21:22:01 Kevin Reid wrote: >>> > That its fuel is wax, or that its fuel is solid and also forms its >>> > mechanical structure? >>> > >>> > Candles can be made of other materials than wax; for example, tallow >>> > and spermaceti, per dict.org. And one could perhaps burn wax in ways >>> > which would not qualify for being a candle. >>> >>> There is a device consisting of a container of a flammable liquid (which >>> could >>> be wax; there are liquid waxes), with a thing floating on the liquid and >>> a >>> wick stuck through the thing. Is it a candle? >>> >> >> la'edi'u .e la'ede'u mintu zo lakyga'a lonu mi jimpe >> >>> >>> Pierre >>> >>> -- >>> I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >> >> > --0016e6464ec4944101048b6ddcdc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Weird, I didn't see a reply.

This is what I saw:
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On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 9:44 AM, A. PIEKARSK= I <totus@rogers.co= m> wrote:


mi se cfipu lo nu do jimpe lo du'u lo kabri be lo litki cu s= rana lo grana

Sorry, I still consider my lojban to be pretty rough. =A0Basically, wh= at on earth would make me want to refer to a bowl of liquid wax with a wick= floating on a piece of=A0buoyant=A0material a "wax rod"? =A0
=A0
I agree.=A0 But nobody has yet commented on {laktytergu'i} w= hich is already in jbovlaste.
That is shown as 'g3=3Dl1 is a candle/wax li= ght with wax source l2'. which seems to be wrong as
the x3 of gusni is the source of the light i.e. the burning candl= e.=A0 So {laktergu'i} should be the candle
and lakygu'i the candle light.=A0 Simlarly {ctilytergu'i}= would be an oil lamp.
=A0
totus

How about:=A0
jelylakse for generic "candle"
lakyga'a for the specific kind of jelylakse that is a candle-stick= (the hard wax stick type)
flujelylakse for the floating candle type
...
<rafsi for whatever mechanism the wick uses to burn the fuel>jel= ylakse for <mechanism the wick uses to burn the fuel> type of jelylak= se.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 3:18 AM, Jonathan Jones = <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Pierre Abbat <<= a href=3D"mailto:phma@phma.optus.nu" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">phm= a@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Tuesday 13 July 2010 21:22:01 Kevin Reid wrote:
> That its fu= el is wax, or that its fuel is solid and also forms its
> mechanical = structure?
>
> Candles can be made of other materials than wax;= for example, tallow
> and spermaceti, per dict.org. And one could perhaps burn wax in ways
> = which would not qualify for being a candle.

There is a device = consisting of a container of a flammable liquid (which could
be wax; there are liquid waxes), with a thing floating on the liquid and a<= br>wick stuck through the thing. Is it a candle?

la'edi'u .e la'ede'u mintu zo lakyga'a lonu mi= jimpe

Pierre

--
I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and= in Black when I'm in Wales.






--
mu'o= mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu



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