Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:42:25 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OZpqT-0005Ce-VF; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:41:58 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OZppQ-0005Bu-8b for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:40:09 -0700 Received: from mail-vw0-f53.google.com ([209.85.212.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OZppI-00059t-3y for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:40:06 -0700 Received: by vws15 with SMTP id 15so3319518vws.40 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:39:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=mXfTMkuY8HHGgTA0GGQSV9D4jTrByodAL3WyhnssAFM=; b=uiGBW5H7KqU9EDnzrNcG94qOA2m/xj6mwDlK89uYuQcGh3KxcQ4UMpF8hzC0MaQp8B D/c0Ylm1qtFN5Z2MoHSFctXEShsJxmxdr/+TcZ+pdd+J7ER29yZrqqZ6ezXD9aEI7Q7s 5MrixP8y1dLdZnAPQfKYa/5XUmCdunExwkpyE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=sSlmnHkCixvrQ7bQDl70WNTZmhpHKMQDADC5vuYmztjBOk2JL3qdHPC4jFpvChmj2m ZH8gqqegeFKssR3qa39XR53U61lP8jW1sQ0X+66FkJcvvYyCduyuqr/9sQhp6n8ch3wE oKlHcFKUSopHBLtdphJDs/dsihOYISiEIcEeg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.93.17 with SMTP id t17mr777062vcm.126.1279305593369; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.214.20 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:39:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <894277.11558.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <894277.11558.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:39:53 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Alice in Wonderland 04 From: Michael Turniansky To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 1100 Lines: 30 On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 2:18 PM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > Forget the previous message.  I hit SEND accidently. > >> > On Friday 16 July 2010 10:57:41 A. PIEKARSKI wrote: >> > > Dried grapes are either raisins, sultanas or currants.  So a fu'ivla based >> > > on Vitis would be appropriatre for raisins, sultanas and currants which I >> > > think would be good enough for Alice.  Something like {sudga vtistivi}. >> > > (The lojban wiki seems to be down, and I don't remember the acceptable >> > > type 4 forms). >> > >> > A word can't begin with "vt", and we don't need a fu'ivla for "grape"; >>there's >> >> >> > already a lujvo, "vanjba". >> > > > Trouble is that the proposed {vanjba} is based on the gismu {vanji}.  But > not all grapes are processed into wine.  In particular, the Corinth grapes > that are dried to become currants are NEVER used to make wine. > I don't consider that a problem, totus. lujvo can be more or less inclusive than their component gismu might suggest... and there is no mention of "wine" in the definition of vanjba. --gejyspa