Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:50:09 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ObfIP-0002hn-DF; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:49:44 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:49:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ObfHv-0002hf-Rd for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:49:08 -0700 Received: from mail-yx0-f181.google.com ([209.85.213.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ObfHb-0002d3-Uz for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:49:07 -0700 Received: by yxm8 with SMTP id 8so2723175yxm.40 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:48:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CBsN4S9igEofxUPLSO/b0CDjSCf6w8V/xpBR35A/Z4o=; b=FWTUmHJ4bnJlM6VtnVjxIIA5VxnIEWeL/g7vYaw3L77qICUddCHfY+fpIZYcem67NP cOuwhllLqtnQBhk1n0MSHy7t16IMxAjcFvGtqiy7m7uv1xlCRbfJrkYUjkazZGbZ1P01 Q+S1kCmqRbRHLAIMB6jtUgQVYXyZnIRTnhS8M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=mV1sI+E3qVaqshVAXzLwuFV2qdF0Oi0yxOfdZobJ5URuF0FISaCQ5kLzCz/wgN9VcF AdBvQPmr0dGQIL3h1kjt0aP3Gafm/VaYSBw74UsSSrXCewew/cOpSp60UtAHFZqMx4+a HcfeoWr60DlMmQfJcRs6+YZ50WVU5C3neP23g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.88.81 with SMTP id z17mr478463qal.109.1279741288818; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.78.146 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:41:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100721191512.GS16391@nvg.org> References: <20100721191512.GS16391@nvg.org> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:41:28 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: stuffed animal From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 960 Lines: 22 On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > > The English Wikipedia mentions stuffed toy, stuffie, plush toy, soft toy, and cuddly toy. > > Of the languages I understand, English is the only language in which the word for stuffed animal explicitly includes its stuffedness. Other languages use words based on its purpose (cuddling/hugging), or its composition (fabric). In Spanish it's "peluche", which comes from French (as does the English "plush"). One problem with "tisna" is that it doesn't mean "stuffed" but "becomes stuffed", it refers to the change of state, not the state. At least if we take the gi'uste definition seriously. It would be more useful to have a basic word for stuffed than for becoming stuffed, because the change of state is easier to derive from the final state (by adding -bi'o) than viceversa. ("Stuffed animal" sounds like something you would eat for Thanksgiving, btw.) mu'o mi'e xorxes