Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:56:14 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OeAr1-0003Dw-Vs; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:55:47 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OeAqK-0003DU-7g for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:55:00 -0700 Received: from mail-qw0-f53.google.com ([209.85.216.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OeAqG-0003Cu-7u for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:54:59 -0700 Received: by qwj8 with SMTP id 8so438579qwj.40 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:54:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=HdH5nRpp6LG1cjZHz8JAokQvJFT+Czw8EZop67isGH8=; b=E/U4+91W19hmAR/hXnTafVISnuYCpg61aDdqxxe0rEqj3UydpLdy2ZAGC1SufFaOMT 6IcMeZqgcHONVotyvQambjmKWk2tuF7C+pmHdG0DiSyFyLwvJ1pDqB3GYiJD383NYC3h kAlWo/RsJcy9rZ3cYwDWnFMCxDxy3X5j4Lki0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ii59x0Itt+4RX5eJNvcB9Ig2wnW63gqcF6lgD5y9BAMnQubLFnLvKBcDPT1K/lKgVD Of/Bkg2fn7pgIzhhaQ1Q+vs/X5tk+a6MGUY3FfFx9YKHNqctmAlvUFQYuAHHGlc70SLF 98RbbNCG81k0GK6+85IRxEZbLNNcy4oyIUXSg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.49.148 with SMTP id v20mr5001604qaf.352.1280339689743; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.52.31 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:54:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <895447.11228.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <278347.68416.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:54:49 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Alice in Wonderland 06 From: Michael Turniansky To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 1171 Lines: 32 2010/7/28 Jorge Llambías : > On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:32 AM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: >>>> >  lampagre >>> >>> 'She took down a jar from one of the shelves as she passed.' >> >>  I was afraid of that.. don't really like pagre for that.   It seems >> more litru to me.  The focus on pagre is on the p2, which is a >> fendi/te sepli/se ragve, which I don't see as being the case here. > > (Maybe a ve fendi, but not a fendi.) Yes, sorry, the ve fendi. > > The se pagre is the adjacency of the shelves, and she's passing > through, not staying there. There's nothing particularly relevant that > she is litruing (and no vehicle, as she is in free fall). But litru as well implies motion, not staying. Her l3 means is lo nu farlu (or, if you prefer, lo ve farlu). The l2 is the airspace which at that instant is adjacent to the shelves, which is completely indistinguishable, except for its location, from where she just was or is just about to be.. that's why I think pagre is not defensible. YMMV, as they say --gejyspa