Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:14:06 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OeB87-00059u-Qe; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:13:26 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OeB7Z-00059o-6C for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:12:49 -0700 Received: from mail-qy0-f174.google.com ([209.85.216.174]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OeB7U-00059E-Nh for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:12:48 -0700 Received: by qyk7 with SMTP id 7so3685921qyk.19 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:12:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2F6EZP53Wd0ONJT4pd0o25xP22A7nItgks5zXijeFDQ=; b=N2sEB4b45n6aVs1ZYT4Q/86/8Cv5/jEQ6VSTSUYyjkGNV+1Th7gdOPjl4DpHM097S3 qM05vQ9UDWT0PMp9C5bDJEKOypYQN+SDXcDVHGBZrEhxUNSu8yZEcW0RtqK/dkk4zTuw 8QVXU9r3xy1lAAjHIk62/krbYZhRTiBhky8Uk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=wy2K9Tq6HVytmt9H/DDBLdQc2YGyHYKhJbOy3pnfEifveCRANwPso5T8lRXY5+MCpR rLxfk9P74vd9pLD+ZjKgFtNT4w6fHh/t+xF7sG52HizDrd5pikxciEg74fm+z79j7E0K 72wQ6orekyUxEjZ6QKnR8QD00zJNycZX/4Oks= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.45.134 with SMTP id e6mr7984608qaf.236.1280340758415; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.78.146 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:12:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <895447.11228.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <278347.68416.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:12:38 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Alice in Wonderland 06 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 1144 Lines: 33 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > 2010/7/28 Jorge Llambías : >>>> >>>> 'She took down a jar from one of the shelves as she passed.' >> >> The se pagre is the adjacency of the shelves, and she's passing >> through, not staying there. There's nothing particularly relevant that >> she is litruing (and no vehicle, as she is in free fall). > >  But litru as well implies motion, not staying. litru may imply motion, but motion within the se litru. > Her l3 means is lo nu > farlu (or, if you prefer, lo ve farlu). Maybe. I always found the vehicle places a bit ridiculous anyway. >The l2 is the airspace which > at that instant is adjacent to the shelves, which is completely > indistinguishable, except for its location, from where she just was or > is just about to be.. that's why I think pagre is not defensible. In this context the place she is passing through, i.e. the adjacency of the shelves, is not only distinguishable (by being adjacent to the shelves) but relevantly so. She isn't just travelling around there, she is passing through. mu'o mi'e xorxes