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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 06:17:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: "A. PIEKARSKI" <totus@rogers.com>
Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Alice in Wonderland 06
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> >> > 2)
> >> > p1 rutpesxu g2
> >> > p1 is a jam/jelly/confiture/marmalde/ fruit preserve made from g2
> >> > from
> >> > p1 pesxu tu'a lo grute be g2
> >> >
> >>
> >>   Curious as to why you went with "tu'a lo grute be g2" rather than
> >> simply "g1".  I think I know the answer (you wanted a flavor/variety,
> >> rather than a specific fruit), and don't REALLY have a problem with
> >> it, but it would seem to me that g1 would have accomplished the same
> >> thing in the context.
> >
> > But it's g2 that defines what kind of fruit it is.  Without it its just a 
jam
> > made from some unspecified fruit.
> >>
> 
>   No, because even if it's defined as a paste made from a fruit g1, I can say:
> mi pu citka lo rutpesxu be lo fragari .ije ku'i nelrai tu'a lo
> rutpesxu be lo vanjba It certainly is made from SOME particular
> strawberries/grapes, and it's also true that "lo fragari cu grute la'o
> lin. Fragaria lin.", so the strawberry is a g1, not the g2.

I sort of follow what you're saying.  But what would 
{p1 rutpesxu g1} be developed from?  What is the expanded form?
{p1 pesxu g1 noi grute g2}?

totus