Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 06:16:57 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Oju7Z-0003DW-U9; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 06:16:30 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Fri, 13 Aug 2010 06:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Oju6p-00038J-9X for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 06:15:43 -0700 Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com ([74.125.82.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Oju6f-00024q-E0 for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 06:15:43 -0700 Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so1314996wwb.10 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 06:15:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=DZYPV1P7Gz2bYPd40lD9WrI0fDgfh+0CK0sOFk/GXPs=; b=Hn+MX9LV4Liqvk3p/RlwYW4QiKz5S327Euv2cmHPBvKQuOjk385LLVy1ARTfmiZTqh H0IWz9fuSzrWIqb8QdKGXCcbFVlVq2KLlHnh0s8rkAQShwcMhwgDUQEGbZR5Y/ERxpl1 jHcO2BIXR2MsaT/grd0M9FlR6VQmrIRburbTQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=WM/kYGonRIbeyouLOInznGwIwbwODqFtNnQaLHCu78NsxUczzKiD14oMfMZNFjhxyd tkstA1tbgy5S8rbp4VJE7MmLJdA3I/qUkIJrmd9PaKIL34Rqp646JL8ey6+9r+OOITJl mbRglRoTt/nHjXa7qOVItLnYCWauCtjXVmjOs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.128.147 with SMTP id k19mr1522595wbs.52.1281705326377; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 06:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.130 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 06:15:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201008130119.14225.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201008130119.14225.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:15:26 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: disjunctive case From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 913 Lines: 21 On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 2:19 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > http://jbo.wiktionary.org/wiki/je > I wrote a definition years ago, using the word "naljinzi" for "disjunctive" (a > case of French pronouns). I have forgotten why I picked that word. Any ideas, > or what's a better word? I guess you meant the case used for non-intrinsic arguments of the verb. The French wiktionary calls "moi" "pronom tonique de la première personne". It seems a bit odd that in Lojban most of the definition of French "je" is concerned with the different uses of "me" and "moi" rather than with "je" itself. I don't think "gasnu" is all that good for "nominative" or "subject case". In lots of cases the subject is not an agent, and agents are not always the subject. I think something like fa-case or first-argument-case might be better for "je". For "pronom tonique", maybe "basna sumyma'o"? mu'o mi'e xorxes