Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:48:41 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OjzIa-000645-O7; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:48:13 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:47:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OjzHq-00063z-Tr for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:47:27 -0700 Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com ([74.125.82.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OjzHl-00063L-UL for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:47:26 -0700 Received: by wyf28 with SMTP id 28so3581249wyf.40 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:47:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=z+QBds/Qf7cl5KCzBfAjnF+VOkrbMfoJpnZgIgiYOho=; b=u8EvyjXihxKi6qKWb34g1XtBnc+ULwxfHh6JugERe2RO8OD/Yba5i2oPA+3SZlEFeY 8jRuQshbgrb9Taax2CkllUb9OvR70ERsUaAa+bJQexix93/e52i1GSv9vbxTOtfRrKv9 /WwgN88gdbaAGR3doSX0hHZvTTo0WACdgdFwE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=CrFoiLeiUwHi9H0uIEyWeL4HfMKK9U0H5H49RDh89Pf07jyJr4Ub9e9VHP/sZlfopI 42BMbkro2OHj8xxw85oKnEwkByJWRbxVyhiiQG8QwXNMDrs7VnIzwTpNsWRxynwkwZFV 0oSZoOzIw0EirOUSitlyqEsZlpcXOwC8HqXNg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.135.18 with SMTP id l18mr1796872wbt.120.1281725235207; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.130 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:47:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:47:15 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: zu'edji From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 1473 Lines: 48 On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: > > I propose changing the definition of {zu'edji} just a bit so that instead > of: > Definition: z1 intends/wishes to do z2 for z3 > we have: > Definition: z1 wishes/desires to do z2 for purpose z3 Sounds reasonable, but in what case would "zu'edji" be preferable to plain "djica"? I find two relevant hits for "zu'edji" with Google. The first one is: mi pu pensi lo nu do zu'edji lo nu cusku lu pixra li'u which seems like a fancy way of saying mi pu pensi lo nu do djica lo nu cusku lu pixra li'u or just: mi pu pensi lo nu do skudji lu pixra li'u (Though probably "krici" or "jinvi" would make more sense than "pensi".) The second hit (from the "cmaci" article in wikipedia) is: .i le selpla be la .xilbert. zu'edji lonu gasnu loza'i lo cmaci cu se jicmu lo jdari ke .aksioma jicmu I asume a "cu" is missing in front of "zu'edji", but a "selpla" wishing or intending to do something is strange. Also "se jicmu lo (...) jicmu" is kind of redundant. I would suggest something like: .i lo selpla be la .xilbert. cu nu gasnu lo nu lo cmaci cu jdari se jicmu lo .aksioma ciste or similar. > and create a new lujvo: {zukpla} with a definition like: > Definition: z1 intends/plans to do z2 (event) for purpose z3 OK, but same question as for "zu'edji". In what case would "zukpla" be preferable to plain "platu"? (No hits for usage of "zukpla".) mu'o mi'e xorxes