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Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: zu'edji
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On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know.  It seems to me like "plan" and "intend" are two different
> things.

I think they are different too. One difference I see is that a plan is
more detailed and explicitely worked out than an intention. I'm just
not sure that adding zuk- to platu really has the effect of moving
from the English "plan" to the English "intend". In fact I'm not even
sure I understand "platu" to begin with, since I don't see what the
difference between its x2 and x3 is supposed to be. Is "doing your
taxes" the x2 or the x3, and what would the other be?

> Maybe neither word is necessary.  xorxes, if I say "do bilga lo nu rinka lo
> nu lo do cteki vreji cu jai mulno" and you want to say "mi <intend/plan-on>
> lo nu gasnu tu'a lo cteki vreji".  what would you put in for that notion of
> "intend to do an action".

I think "intend" is a gap in the gismu list, as we discussed on the
main list in the "The North Wind and the Sun" thread back in May.
tijlan generated the gismu form "drasa" for it from the gismu making
algorithm.

But I think generally I have used "platu" or "zukte fi" when I needed
to say "intend", ignoring the problems both of those have (i.e. the
remaining unwanted argument in each case). So I suppose I might say:
"mi platu lo nu gasnu tu'a lo cteki vreji".

> I don't think {djica} is right because you
> don't necessarily "want" to do it (i.e. if you somehow discovered that you
> were exempt from filing taxes you would probably be happy because you are no
> longer obliged to do them).  But at the same time I'm not sure that {platu}
> makes sense because how much planning really happens when you think to
> yourself "I really _should_ to do ~X~ soon... ok, I've decided... I intend
> to do ~X~ tonight".  I haven't planned any aspect of HOW I will be doing
> ~X~, only decided that I will do it.
> oh... there we go.  How about {zu'ejdi}.  I have decided to do ~X~.  I
> intend to do ~X~.  That seems right, I think.

If you first considered whether to do them or not, yes. But generally
when you intend to do something it is not as a result of a decision.
When you say that you intend to do them it is not because you were
considering whether to do them or not and finally decided yes, or is
it?

mu'o mi'e xorxes