Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 09:56:20 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OvvGx-00027F-0J; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 09:55:51 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Wed, 15 Sep 2010 09:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OvvGL-000279-Sw for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 09:55:14 -0700 Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com ([74.125.82.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OvvGE-000240-3R for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 09:55:13 -0700 Received: by wyf28 with SMTP id 28so166217wyf.40 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 09:54:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=QvLjrzihhBvOwhJHcHjE1vljctTx28EYSt37zfIZMZw=; b=fxco6CDbTJ1NY9ZPP+dPebfMeik7D589v/zRKV9MvdISKMElJmxjHZnAdmEN702oPg G815AnQAxwRQbo5ic6erJrW88tr3824/pDbEvDys62sSgaOqEve2AbRmwlovAeL44Ktf lQ6kt9hNMNntLiqar/TI2apGDUMUVdedlZYJo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mNugWAE3ClbC0LblVNeh7ozyeiQkdiDusa+Qiwjgx407HismkYPursZWc4rVuDJTLF h5styuu/zDMvIFFg1IiMHNMyLmjdmQ5SLk/AIn6wGmaLo1ztQO4d19M/kjAQkryw1M4o dTiUFxTES4dB6vDfRpDJUo1vYuuub+hO8uVYA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.30.34 with SMTP id s34mr1679540wbc.8.1284569697038; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 09:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.151.203 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 09:54:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <680042.9852.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <7531.25333.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <705787.13348.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <680042.9852.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 13:54:56 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Alice in Wonderland 08 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 1057 Lines: 24 On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:07 PM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: >> > Surely they are related.  If I hope that something will happen, it may or > may not happen.  x3 gives the subjective probability of it happening. In the sense that everything in the universe is related to everything else, yes, they are related. But there is no relationship that is particularly relevant between the probability of an event happening and the fact that someone hopes that it happens. Whether or not someone hopes that something happens generally has no impact on its probability of it happening. And the probability of something happening has no direct impact on how much someone may hope that it happens. Consider "rinka" for example. It has an event in x1 and another event in x2, but no places for the probabilities of the events. Consider any other gismu with an event place, they don't have an additional place for the probability. What is so significant about the probability of the event of "pacna" that it has its own argument place? mu'o mi'e xorxes