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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 10:11:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: "A. PIEKARSKI" <totus@rogers.com>
Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Alice in Wonderland 08
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----- Original Message ----
> From: Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>
> To: jbovlaste@lojban.org
> Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 12:54:56 PM
> Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Alice in Wonderland 08
> 
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:07 PM, A. PIEKARSKI <totus@rogers.com> wrote:
> >>
> > Surely they are related.  If I hope that something will happen, it may or
> > may not happen.  x3 gives the subjective probability of it happening.
> 
> In the sense that everything in the universe is related to everything
> else, yes, they are related. But there is no relationship that is
> particularly relevant between the probability of an event happening
> and the fact that someone hopes that it happens. Whether or not
> someone hopes that something happens generally has no impact on its
> probability of it happening. And the probability of something
> happening has no direct impact on how much someone may hope that it
> happens.
> 
> Consider "rinka" for example. It has an event in x1 and another event
> in x2, but no places for the probabilities of the events. Consider any
> other gismu with an event place, they don't have an additional place
> for the probability. What is so significant about the probability of
> the event of "pacna" that it has its own argument place?

I'm not arguing for it's significance.  I'm simply stating that, like it 
or not, it is there in a gismu we can't touch, and while it may not 
be very useful, there is nothing wrong with it.  So why remove it?

totus