Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 13:06:52 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OvyFN-0001sj-Ci; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 13:06:25 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Wed, 15 Sep 2010 13:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OvyEi-0001sR-El for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 13:05:44 -0700 Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com ([74.125.82.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OvyEd-0001sA-PK for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 13:05:44 -0700 Received: by wyf28 with SMTP id 28so387678wyf.40 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 13:05:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=NH1tSJ+MEJ9fVL8WnJ/USjTb4OJnUwoHAaC7BHHGjLc=; b=dLgSYsf6G0O+94ReS0I6mJzsnVv7QA3tejeQM9EczMwmSpHa55JsB78FYcqb0mAWC6 ENtDDorEESv7foBpHEZoRqaTE6HDY4kyn5GJX3m7NjaM23lsn1EewzW77H4r/nxBLmSR zbi6jno09YTKWFCAogsJ/6+8eOKO7x0v5wIIs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ubrF6IR1ZIfOi3afMibR5T9bgDkmBCf+Xb7ltdMQ3NlXeypiuQzje+doay378s4hBR YJvK/vOcQCHmnx417RIEyPrguaqEBb+dKhZJEylJ0BYpF64/RaVSfYGnMlCuHipGBm1u JbcB4GH5AmCe5GKysjvICmd2nasEhPN/XcskM= Received: by 10.227.142.201 with SMTP id r9mr1881230wbu.38.1284581133253; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 13:05:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.149.67 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 13:05:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7531.25333.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <705787.13348.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <680042.9852.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> From: Stela Selckiku Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 16:05:03 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Alice in Wonderland 08 To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: selckiku@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 1233 Lines: 27 2010/9/15 Jorge Llambías : > But there is no relationship that is particularly relevant between > the probability of an event happening and the fact that someone > hopes that it happens. It might be that there's no particular relationship between "hoping" and the probability of something happening, but it's handed down to us by the Lojban gods that there is a relationship between a "pacna" and what they hope for and the probability of it happening. Taking that as a given, I have no problem rationalising it. Here's how I'd explain my understanding of "pacna": The pacna is considering an event which may or may not occur (from their perspective, anyway-- it might be that it's already happened or not and they haven't found out yet which). They're considering in particular the terpa'a of that event, they're thinking about whether it's going to happen or not and what the likelihood is. They want the selpa'a to occur, so they're hoping that either the terpa'a will be high enough or they'll be lucky enough that it does occur. If it's still possible for them to affect the outcome somehow, they may even be acting in ways that they think will increase the terpa'a. mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o