Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:50:37 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OyFPU-0007uU-Fi; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:50:17 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OyFP1-0007uO-Oq for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:49:48 -0700 Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com ([74.125.82.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OyFOy-0007u8-5w for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:49:47 -0700 Received: by wyf28 with SMTP id 28so95577wyf.40 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:49:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5ZHZ7hlyIXYuGDyeSpP8rmTwP4uzatz0btrjf2GkHpI=; b=tMWHR9lsv4wOoPKVO2zo37G1HPrAZxQYq2cjxcKK0tQZCaJ80wn18eq+5C7+WXqcRo FmZT7OOUikvkYJ6zN4faaCoxBs95Ma8vwAk4GZKMJ5JE4aZY1unTmzCQs3+ZZMRrVy7q bf1whMRVDt7mSVW2Wx7XFXwZFRYADdtxaHIdo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=rvjqe893vPRa2ScPDJ+gHFmRLUVNwd7QF1/H/Zx4lkBAwkvtoVi6I/PEZy4tYTzle9 GXfl5ZeU2R7DavwYpr3rVqBSfqOsswsgndb60wJ7FRqfgnPnyoA7po4jLpbCK83BBykE Nkv/2w/oG7ObYgCvmy2EsozSaAA6wFtD/4lX8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.157.200 with SMTP id c8mr4061927wbx.69.1285123777755; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.130 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:49:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7531.25333.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <705787.13348.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <680042.9852.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:49:37 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Alice in Wonderland 08 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 810 Lines: 22 On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: >       Again, I am also not debating whether or not the x3 "belongs" here.  I > was simply laying out the main meaning of "pacna" is x1 pacna x2 x3 => x1 > krici lo du'u x2 ca'a fasnu kei .ije x2 fasnu la'a x3 mei  (or something > like that), in my understanding of it, and that the use of several different > English is simply based on the fact that those mean parallel things > differing only in the x3. I think the meaning is: x1 krici lo du'u x2 ka'e fasnu .ije x1 na djuno lo du'u xukau x2 ca'a fasnu .ije x1 zmanei lo nu x2 ca'a fasnu kei lo nu x2 na ca'a fasnu I don't think I have ever seen any use of pacna for a case where x1 believes that x2 actually has happened/is happening/will happen. mu'o mi'e xorxes