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PIEKARSKI" Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: crab To: jbovlaste@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <001485e8e58d53216d049063c7a3@google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-928036908-1284658931=:15785" X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 4132 Lines: 65 --0-928036908-1284658931=:15785 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0A=0ALinaean based fu'ivla are not meant to be universally recognizable= =0A- just culturally neutral.=A0 I'm not crazy about them and only find th= em =0Aacceptable when there is no widely=A0recognized word available=A0=0A(= in the world, not just Latin-based languages) , and no reasonable lujvo =0A= can be constructed.=A0 That seems to be the case here.=0A=0Atotus=0A=0AOn ,= Pierre Abbat wrote:=0A> On Thursday 16 September 2010= 11:55:23 A. PIEKARSKI wrote:=0A> =0A> > Why not stick to something general= ly recognizable=0A> =0A> > or based on Linnaean?=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > fu'i= vla type III:=A0=A0=A0 juknrbrakiura=0A> =0A> > fu'ivla type IV:=A0=A0=A0 b= arkura/brakiura (yes, they probably need to be=0A> =0A> > massaged).=0A> = =0A> =0A> =0A> "braxiura" (I prefer the 'x' since it's from a Greek chi) is= perfectly valid.=0A> =0A> jbofi'e seems to think it's a lujvo (it translat= es it as "being big ??(s)"),=0A> =0A> but it's not.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> I th= ink the set of people who know the scientific name of crabs is much=0A> =0A= > smaller than the set of people who know the Spanish or Arabic name.=0A> = =0A> =0A> =0A> Pierre=0A> =0A> --=0A> =0A> Don't buy a French car in Hollan= d. It may be a citroen.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>=0AWIth no surpris= e, the word "kangre'o" is very similar to the latin "cancer" =0A(which is a= lso the name of the zodiacal sign) and many Italians would be able to =0Are= late it to "granchio" (or cancro, the zodiacal sign again) I suspect that = =0Aother Latin-based languages might do the same.=0A=0AI would have no clue= on what a "braxiura" could be. --0-928036908-1284658931=:15785 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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WIth no surprise, = the word "kangre'o" is very similar to the latin "cancer" (which is also th= e name of the zodiacal sign) and many Italians would be able to relate it t= o "granchio" (or cancro, the zodiacal sign again) I suspect that other Lati= n-based languages might do the same.

I would have no clue on what a = "braxiura" could be.
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Linaean based fu'ivl= a are not meant to be universally recognizable
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- just cultura= lly neutral.  I'm not crazy about them and only find them
=0Aacceptable when there is no widely recognized word available =0A
(in the world, not just Latin-based languages) , and no reasona= ble lujvo
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can be constructed.  That seems to be the case= here.
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totus

On , Pierre Abbat <= phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> On Thursday 16 September 2010 11:55:2= 3 A. PIEKARSKI wrote:
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> > Why not stick to something gene= rally recognizable
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> > or based on Linnaean?
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= > >
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> > fu'ivla type III:    juknrbr= akiura
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> > fu'ivla type IV:    barkura/bra= kiura (yes, they probably need to be
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> > massaged).
&g= t;
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> "braxiura" (I prefer the 'x' since it's from = a Greek chi) is perfectly valid.
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> jbofi'e seems to think it= 's a lujvo (it translates it as "being big ??(s)"),
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> but it= 's not.
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> I think the set of people who kn= ow the scientific name of crabs is much
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> smaller than the s= et of people who know the Spanish or Arabic name.
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>
>=
> Pierre
>
> --
>
> Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be = a citroen.
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