Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 10:49:08 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwIZh-0004qY-J3; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 10:48:46 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Thu, 16 Sep 2010 10:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwIZD-0004qC-1f for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 10:48:15 -0700 Received: from mail-pz0-f53.google.com ([209.85.210.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwIZ6-0004p8-Q2 for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 10:48:14 -0700 Received: by pzk36 with SMTP id 36so748149pzk.40 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 10:48:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/AfOHF1KbUlJ00zJpZUVhgf6T5LaeI4ONEEo1WAitbY=; b=c2XbyIN5KWUnLAvy0YJAnW1O4dtxHnkbLmda/XzNsipPigPTeMZngGtsC8pGT2nzbf gVn5uRnAw2vbwMFNCSGZbRsKXd2WKR38yHrsybxkyi/EnERMMJoxQZicbIXNDjaxlXWc w5AnWqOArVYMS05RerCSxW3gf8tohipOkDfq8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=S0T9LvQ/Tu55ruI/TSQFO4sqlPNAXC46InCEQqhPrKMBsZ55fXU7W2P/YQTcJmtZlb 1+ARHH9nv4A5xOvsdWTuMyKLa7G2cwJmFLFH4YNmZouM6ncwYNwI8hp7emjuk7K7S+lH NyaK+BBc6WPueHYlLj0TTHjKpky87OYc1tW5w= Received: by 10.142.246.1 with SMTP id t1mr3172146wfh.80.1284659282842; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 10:48:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.190.203 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 10:47:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201009161103.17292.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: "* Hieran Makhwali" Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:47:42 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: crab To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: sarefo@googlemail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 1113 Lines: 25 >> i haven't followed the discussion lately (if there was any), but >> wasn't it considered bad style to use brazenly cultural fu'ivla for >> non-cultural items? > > Opinions differ of course, but I consider Pierre's fu'ivla the epitome > of good style.  They're some of my favorite words, and I feel he's > added a lot to the beauty of our language. > > I'd consider sacrificing aesthetics for supposed cultural neutrality > to be quite silly in a language that already has short rafsi for some > cultures and only long fu'ivla for others.  And I'm not so convinced > anyway that there's something ideally neutral about scientific Latin. i've been wrestling with many of pierre's words when weeding through parts of jbovlaste. yes some are esthetically pleasing. but i never thought of this to be one of lojban's main design criteria. i think when in doubt form should follow function. i don't like the "it's got a latin root, thus it's recognizable by many people speaking romanic languages" idea much. this is not esperanto. and yes, i'm aware there's a conundrum when using linnean instead. mi'e manti