Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:03:11 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwInI-0000Ul-0K; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:02:48 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwImm-0000UD-Nf for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:02:17 -0700 Received: from n1.bullet.mail.re4.yahoo.com ([206.190.56.20]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwImg-0000Nz-V3 for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:02:16 -0700 Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n1.bullet.re4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2010 18:02:04 -0000 Received: from [66.196.97.134] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2010 18:02:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp107.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2010 18:02:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 570417.17969.bm@omp107.mail.re3.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 32205 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2010 18:02:04 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1284660124; bh=hMimt1xLnRGcjMKWtwjXa3INvBhoufC9XnKwxL7Wo/M=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xmpEf1WtxjsPV6C4VJXMlD8jpH9WUPvr4etDdVrUme1HbQWdZz3122ZQ1NC8ysSMPMuzqRK1BUvEOXc/0HXg+wFiMvmSNLxnkowxpifKiWtpRl08qq6lVgVZHhgXRQiNkjr+KeSThJX5q39FHhhNuNvZCgDLNcUwPlPQF/qZpTs= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=M8RzRVvDhb/ZuP6yFvRjIYia9BDEBXw6+yLFVrYMcwJAQMSI9IpXk7W7FiUnN6Y6XFClnZ/rYhQaIEDkOdL/bpGirehOSlG1ZMztHdZ330rJTI1DrR7eSNH+GGOwyLfkOfmN98c+bmHQvZUVwJLGpK0xBjEi1UqbL2GRe5xz6Pc=; Message-ID: <448274.31191.qm@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: VUTqupgVM1lAthl4UmfUyCTyiEs.zwJebd7bHmBhWm7RNNs XR4ZhUULMQSsCjVpMfijjSkwOIJLUFJ8ds8Wax8oAugETWIr5CDY0QuKsibA YXjHprta3xLFedKpsntRrdN2wYOiDPYnGUxyWpVhOQaeYRqJw4mpfsVxvOe5 LwgLKXXy8fOKoSincH2lK2o.yjt6HUxXBQdHDwH7bWSpwOktjuDAj_2Gsm6W Gy6nVMEmkyjzP7B2D7JRlgpcnd8EMcQl1Ck9jyUQJSPAog5ah5_HT_p8i59e m.CFIfJy.UP1fZgbHRgZ.8KpCrgcIMF9Rdf8PHaoSKG44mS7MCe2ChA-- Received: from [99.229.170.85] by web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:02:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/497 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <201009161103.17292.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:02:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: crab To: jbovlaste@lojban.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 1152 Lines: 31 > > >> i haven't followed the discussion lately (if there was any), but > >> wasn't it considered bad style to use brazenly cultural fu'ivla for > >> non-cultural items? > > > > Opinions differ of course, but I consider Pierre's fu'ivla the epitome > > of good style.  They're some of my favorite words, and I feel he's > > added a lot to the beauty of our language. > > > > I'd consider sacrificing aesthetics for supposed cultural neutrality > > to be quite silly in a language that already has short rafsi for some > > cultures and only long fu'ivla for others.  And I'm not so convinced > > anyway that there's something ideally neutral about scientific Latin. Aesthetics and beauty are subjective (personally and culturally) and time-dependant concepts.  What may be beautiful for you may be ugly for someone else.  What is considered pleasing aesthetically today may not be in the future.  That is why aesthetics do not figure in Lojban's design criteria. As for the use of Linnaean terminology, the point isn't that it's Latin, but that its accepted in at least one significant world-wide community, namely the scientific. totus