Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:33:24 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwL8f-0008D6-H8; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:33:01 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwL8C-0008Bg-Re for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:32:33 -0700 Received: from mail-gy0-f181.google.com ([209.85.160.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwL88-0007zW-Bi for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:32:32 -0700 Received: by gyf1 with SMTP id 1so867432gyf.40 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:32:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=QQJ4d2BsOAhy3nJtjsOQGuSzNkN02RqA5agNRy5BaKg=; b=Nps1nusFbSGWV5/prETnWevZxJfmkzX8xix4i35tlJOB8vnFzlbFb/X4HlE54+QFqG awQ6Blb1Hgq3CAvMEFRkSM71HUPudyjWbfQG6zKb55zCXWlP4rzQn3l35XzK9LLTXEfV vVZQTAQSiVnUirJ7yxUyxMWxxkhNYJnKifx04= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=uZeq1bKPTwq0xSQezqMixQi6/9tKA0D0gMwxHC8gIPPiqKsO0MTnjlSBoWFzTVYLHY y9MTLRclkqM1NsMTfdxyqCFR7TGNHk7RN+pfUDEKpBIaYOxV8rkIPbeKt4a8W2OZzYx/ +HC+hJTqCWKFlc+zoMrMJnnrVg4oe17AhtIgE= Received: by 10.101.125.18 with SMTP id c18mr4259455ann.228.1284669142184; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:32:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.92.18 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:32:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201009161103.17292.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: John Cowan Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:32:02 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: cXKlvkSs2wRnWKAlM5DhRoSvGro Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: crab To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: cowan@ccil.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 1020 Lines: 20 On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Before I get too involved with reading the replies, I'm going to make my > suggestion, {xamsi jukni}, differentiating from lobster {clani xamsi jukni}. > Are there other ocean-dwelling arachnids besides the lobster and crab? If > so, {cukla xamsi jukni} for crab. The trouble with ideas like this is precisely that nobody knows offhand which non-insect arthropods (which is the extended sense of "jukni") live in the ocean. On investigation, not only are there shrimp (infraorder Caridea), krill (order Euphausiacea) , and barnacles (infraclass Cirripedia), but there is actually an arthropod group called "sea spiders" (class Pycnogonida) in English, which look very much like spiders though they are not arachnids. If I heard a lujvo based on "xamsi jukni", I'd certainly think of sea spiders. Unknown fu'ivla like "juknrcie" (type 3 Chinese) or braxiura (type 4 Linnaean) may be opaque, but at least they aren't actively misleading.