Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:45:31 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwLKO-0001mL-V2; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:45:09 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwLJq-0001mF-Bv for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:44:35 -0700 Received: from mail-iw0-f181.google.com ([209.85.214.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwLJm-0001lz-7F for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:44:34 -0700 Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so1682815iwn.40 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:44:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=dRZr/b3HhAB1+tXQ3iFBC8uS5TrxNyO7AV3cLSlVX9M=; b=EKOYzqukwskNh4HqL29r89JwtajuebN2rN3GNB8e16w8BHalHJvy8Lhn+upu2BEtOw iGInUY9FCtJHfqZU/yFXN0O26ZnJTRmFPF3OqlSAi8YQcmzxitOOzxsSJN1iIWAVrcy1 fPsoHn4g8jd84ljAiw64879AyhcAZQvDKxjj8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=vTs5IUKtUiUGobYv8C3pxvs+r+Qhfs4haZBr85lsukds9L2XdJ8xLeYhVvmFiGCbbd /nAMD4Je8KDIE9DAXO9wUGoKi4e4uALi/u3jTTmPaAAVHlrYJRXQJqF05Js+8559yc1D +zV6Kite1UoBmQv6MduZLcR2hiZnU8kfpP0dc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.145.16 with SMTP id b16mr3825085ibv.198.1284669869018; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.207.84 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:44:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201009161103.17292.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:44:28 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: crab From: Jonathan Jones To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485e98b22324ed20490668318 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 3788 Lines: 88 --001485e98b22324ed20490668318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:32 PM, John Cowan wrote: > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > Before I get too involved with reading the replies, I'm going to make my > > suggestion, {xamsi jukni}, differentiating from lobster {clani xamsi > jukni}. > > Are there other ocean-dwelling arachnids besides the lobster and crab? If > > so, {cukla xamsi jukni} for crab. > > The trouble with ideas like this is precisely that nobody knows > offhand which non-insect arthropods (which is the extended sense of > "jukni") live in the ocean. On investigation, not only are there > shrimp (infraorder Caridea), krill (order Euphausiacea) , and > barnacles (infraclass Cirripedia), but there is actually an arthropod > group called "sea spiders" (class Pycnogonida) in English, which look > very much like spiders though they are not arachnids. If I heard a > lujvo based on "xamsi jukni", I'd certainly think of sea spiders. > Unknown fu'ivla like "juknrcie" (type 3 Chinese) or braxiura (type 4 > Linnaean) may be opaque, but at least they aren't actively misleading. > Okay, so: {xamsi jukni} = "sea spider"; {cukla xamsi jukni} = "crab"; {clani xamsi jukni} = "lobster"; {cmalu ke clani xamsi jukni} = "shrimp"; {mutce cmalu ke clani xamsi jukni} = "krill"; {to'e muvdu xamsi jukni} = "barnacle". Not misleading, and jbopre don't have to look it up. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --001485e98b22324ed20490668318 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:32 PM, John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org><= /span> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> Before I get too involved with reading the replies, I'm going to m= ake my
> suggestion, {xamsi jukni}, differentiating from lobster {clani xamsi j= ukni}.
> Are there other ocean-dwelling arachnids besides the lobster and crab?= If
> so, {cukla xamsi jukni} for crab.

The trouble with ideas like this is precisely that nobody knows
offhand which non-insect arthropods (which is the extended sense of
"jukni") live in the ocean. =A0On investigation, not only are the= re
shrimp (infraorder Caridea), krill (order Euphausiacea) , and
barnacles (infraclass Cirripedia), but there is actually an arthropod
group called "sea spiders" (class Pycnogonida) in English, which = look
very much like spiders though they are not arachnids. =A0If I heard a
lujvo based on "xamsi jukni", I'd certainly think of sea spid= ers.
Unknown fu'ivla like "juknrcie" (type 3 Chinese) or braxiura = (type 4
Linnaean) may be opaque, but at least they aren't actively misleading.

Okay, so:

{xamsi jukni} =3D "sea spider&= quot;;
{cukla xamsi jukni} =3D "crab";
{clani xamsi jukni} = =3D "lobster";
{cmalu ke clani xamsi jukni} =3D "shrimp&q= uot;;
{mutce cmalu ke clani xamsi jukni} =3D "krill";
{to'e muvd= u xamsi jukni} =3D "barnacle".

Not misleading, and jbopre = don't have to look it up.
--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.= i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

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