Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:46:12 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwLL1-0001qL-Po; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:45:48 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwLKc-0001qA-1Y for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:45:22 -0700 Received: from mail-iw0-f181.google.com ([209.85.214.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwLKY-0001po-1F for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:45:21 -0700 Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so1683360iwn.40 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:45:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=EDuQh4aEM9irQAIV0AmhdF04gVENFjGmLiyQaaDgvuM=; b=o+bq9iD9jSu0Qw0MDQIoK5pRbu3NHlCI7sjuBim34CydfpXUJ7IecYIK9ebq562yLK 1pps5UIZCiAL7G4yPisomlfgzjYeiFcogQ3dnzbGqR1pewRvKlD1KH+/AiGQf2ycWgOX mVaU4ndb+9A1Bk927LXrsd258ERCNDd84EF68= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=X2lIASIckXDM1aHhdR2M2B/mXMBChWE4SfP1cBwp4GUZJ6libeWXisunA1e/z6shTe XnjgHOaUZ35FzT8O1aA1fIwHDBQIqLmJyY6zmYPOygvAnbqAx13hfb+Wdf/jdlSQ3Tjs NoZ2LELMDLHkYxv8FTxkv2gyKp+fVC3fdd3Q8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.174.5 with SMTP id r5mr3827793ibz.132.1284669917020; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.207.84 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:45:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201009161103.17292.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:45:16 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: crab From: Jonathan Jones To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364ecf080ec7c9049066867c X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 4452 Lines: 105 --0016364ecf080ec7c9049066867c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:32 PM, John Cowan wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Jonathan Jones >> wrote: >> >> > Before I get too involved with reading the replies, I'm going to make my >> > suggestion, {xamsi jukni}, differentiating from lobster {clani xamsi >> jukni}. >> > Are there other ocean-dwelling arachnids besides the lobster and crab? >> If >> > so, {cukla xamsi jukni} for crab. >> >> The trouble with ideas like this is precisely that nobody knows >> offhand which non-insect arthropods (which is the extended sense of >> "jukni") live in the ocean. On investigation, not only are there >> shrimp (infraorder Caridea), krill (order Euphausiacea) , and >> barnacles (infraclass Cirripedia), but there is actually an arthropod >> group called "sea spiders" (class Pycnogonida) in English, which look >> very much like spiders though they are not arachnids. If I heard a >> lujvo based on "xamsi jukni", I'd certainly think of sea spiders. >> Unknown fu'ivla like "juknrcie" (type 3 Chinese) or braxiura (type 4 >> Linnaean) may be opaque, but at least they aren't actively misleading. >> > > Okay, so: > > {xamsi jukni} = "sea spider"; > {cukla xamsi jukni} = "crab"; > {clani xamsi jukni} = "lobster"; > {cmalu ke clani xamsi jukni} = "shrimp"; > {mutce cmalu ke clani xamsi jukni} = "krill"; > {to'e muvdu xamsi jukni} = "barnacle". > > Not misleading, and jbopre don't have to look it up. I'll leave it up to the jbopre to lujvo-ise those cmene. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --0016364ecf080ec7c9049066867c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Jonathan Jones = <eyeonus@gmail.co= m> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 16= , 2010 at 2:32 PM, John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> Before I get too involved with reading the replies, I'm going to m= ake my
> suggestion, {xamsi jukni}, differentiating from lobster {clani xamsi j= ukni}.
> Are there other ocean-dwelling arachnids besides the lobster and crab?= If
> so, {cukla xamsi jukni} for crab.

The trouble with ideas like this is precisely that nobody knows
offhand which non-insect arthropods (which is the extended sense of
"jukni") live in the ocean. =A0On investigation, not only are the= re
shrimp (infraorder Caridea), krill (order Euphausiacea) , and
barnacles (infraclass Cirripedia), but there is actually an arthropod
group called "sea spiders" (class Pycnogonida) in English, which = look
very much like spiders though they are not arachnids. =A0If I heard a
lujvo based on "xamsi jukni", I'd certainly think of sea spid= ers.
Unknown fu'ivla like "juknrcie" (type 3 Chinese) or braxiura = (type 4
Linnaean) may be opaque, but at least they aren't actively misleading.

Okay, so:

{xamsi jukni} =3D "= ;sea spider";
{cukla xamsi jukni} =3D "crab";
{clani x= amsi jukni} =3D "lobster";
{cmalu ke clani xamsi jukni} =3D &q= uot;shrimp";
{mutce cmalu ke clani xamsi jukni} =3D "krill";
{to'e muvd= u xamsi jukni} =3D "barnacle".

Not misleading, and jbopre = don't have to look it up.
I'll leave it up to= the jbopre to lujvo-ise those cmene.

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le= bende pe denpa bu

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