Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:02:26 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwLae-0003Ab-Hv; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:01:58 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwLa8-0003AM-5T for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:01:25 -0700 Received: from mail-iw0-f181.google.com ([209.85.214.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwLa2-00039l-P3 for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:01:23 -0700 Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so1695830iwn.40 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:01:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=YbvO2R5GPsOz0VDY8BWTgvtyzJIEOgo6FAmWldQqugU=; b=LqtIE6gibfl9xbyHLHJXm+FgC1XbZ0LAk1w5/7OeSt8VlaDqMjPa24MxKC41S2lL1S Bg1txeLtFUEIaso4qrB395myEvXdzY7lMIxkOswdsN2B1bbBSS/DeoxzmhACa+H2Tl1V RaPg0t7XJt5xP8kvchbUUKL1q3c3yva3xjKwI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=INyCEc68xhKcQhJNATju37Q0zBVt212kXLZ0sdv2qPe7BDViOd3HYnwnKH4DiyLukH GvGnA4gMOPLArUXpePhNOd+Y34BtIJXkKlJZbQCM6YFtzK/29ues4O7ejproxtnYyOrx PIUTumFKAfFVwd/20vJ6/HvR8929NUvuj2aOU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.151.198 with SMTP id d6mr3952296ibw.86.1284670877422; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:01:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.207.84 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:01:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201009161103.17292.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 15:01:17 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: crab From: Jonathan Jones To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e68ddd874d5432049066bf74 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 1968 Lines: 48 --0016e68ddd874d5432049066bf74 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My entire argument regarding Lojban names for things is as follows: 1) Borrowing words from other languages (fu'ivla) is a Bad Thing ( http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/B/Bad-Thing.html) and should only be done when there is NO OTHER WAY. This means ANY language, including Latin. 2) Fluent jbopre are expected to be able to understand any gismu, cmavo, lujvo, etc. that they see without the need to consult a dictionary. 3) Specifically regarding creatures: Nearly every creature with a name has a *descriptive* common name, and all Linnean names of things are descriptive, in the Latin language. 4) As such, I see no reason why a descriptive cmene should not be preferable to a borrowed foreign cmene in *every* case. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --0016e68ddd874d5432049066bf74 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My entire argument regarding Lojban names for things is as follows:

= 1) Borrowing words from other languages (fu'ivla) is a Bad Thing (http://www.catb.org= /jargon/html/B/Bad-Thing.html) and should only be done when there is NO= OTHER WAY. This means ANY language, including Latin.

2) Fluent jbopre are expected to be able to understand any gismu, cmavo= , lujvo, etc. that they see without the need to consult a dictionary.
3) Specifically regarding creatures: Nearly every creature with a name ha= s a *descriptive* common name, and all Linnean names of things are descript= ive, in the Latin language.

4) As such, I see no reason why a descriptive cmene should not be prefe= rable to a borrowed foreign cmene in *every* case.

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mu'o m= i'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
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