Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:40:11 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwQrS-0005tr-KP; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:39:39 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:38:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwQqa-0005tg-Lh for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:38:45 -0700 Received: from mail-iw0-f181.google.com ([209.85.214.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwQqW-0005tM-1j for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:38:44 -0700 Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so1990390iwn.40 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:38:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4XbczYLCGUeg5gzxzxQqni5oZHOcfZLfNuFSQ4BliYA=; b=NA5rjrMu0jZM3UD3lgX1Ica2LC/IIlvs+9z/k7NpIc/Ry/STgQnC7HeoHJhlkNSON9 eKbCIMQby6wK5imQSIl3J0V+tOKG9Zu+P1AVbpTGQ7vlVb9fVKckViurGzT2luaiaEbY RpFJiWtd14FjZVYQS5hd7Rx/n9XbWctFSktDw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=pijiKhZZXdsZG2Oc6hDmMvSZ5QSHxvS7ODAgvkSvCvnSKy26gmsXSCPUtYWawzBbjc P3zG2zMDVISpbJ+lOk4Bt8W2Etk98sEwKgmTm5JEV41OVFQ7EITEGXUFgutB8f3quDQN ZXDeDO1cyLWz5VVPHBArPsyjIhWJxmD1hTy3M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.191.6 with SMTP id dk6mr4386641ibb.51.1284691118474; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.207.84 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:38:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201009161103.17292.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:38:38 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: crab From: Jonathan Jones To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b8c36c349a804906b7572 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 5903 Lines: 157 --0016363b8c36c349a804906b7572 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 3:33 PM, John Cowan wrote: > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > {xamsi jukni} = "sea spider"; > > Okay, let's go with that and see where the rest of your definitions take > us. > > > {cukla xamsi jukni} = "crab"; > > "Cukla xamsi jukni" would be an arthropod living in a round ocean (as > opposed to those square oceans you see sold in better shops > everywhere). If you mean "cukla ke xamsi jukni", that would be a > round sea spider. > > > {clani xamsi jukni} = "lobster"; > > Lobsters (inserting "ke") are small sea spiders, then? > No, clani is long, as you well know. Stop confusing the newbies. > > {cmalu ke clani xamsi jukni} = "shrimp"; > > So when I order a small lobster in a Lojbanistan restaurant, I should > expect to get a shrimp? > No, because you would not be ordering a {cmalu ke clani ke xamsi jukni}, you would be ordering a {cmalu clakemxasyjukni}, or a {cmalu claxasyjukni}, or some other {cmalu } > > {mutce cmalu ke clani xamsi jukni} = "krill"; > > So now I get krill instead of either lobsters or shrimp? I guess they > will have to provide me with a net to dip them out of the water with. > See above. > > {to'e muvdu xamsi jukni} = "barnacle". > > So (inserting "ke") barnacles are sea spiders that don't move? > You're welcome to provide a more accurate description of the sea-dwelling crustacean with the well-known trait of spending it's entire life attached to some surface such as the hull of a ship or the skin of a whale. Since {jukni} includes crustaceans, {xamsi jukni} includes all sea-dwelling {jukni}, and barnacles are the only {xamsi jukni} that {to'e muvdu}, I'd call it good enough. > > > Not misleading, and jbopre don't have to look it up. > > That turns out not to be the case. > Alright, I admit that mi kakne lonu morji pilno zo ke is shoddy at best. Sue me. You understood me, and that's what matters. Your arguments against my suggestions are more attacks than stances in any event. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --0016363b8c36c349a804906b7572 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 3:33 PM, John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org><= /span> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> {xamsi jukni} =3D "sea spider";

Okay, let's go with that and see where the rest of your definitions tak= e us.

> {cukla xamsi jukni} =3D "crab";

"Cukla xamsi jukni" would be an arthropod living in a round ocean= (as
opposed to those square oceans you see sold in better shops
everywhere). =A0If you mean "cukla ke xamsi jukni", that would be= a
round sea spider.

> {clani xamsi jukni} =3D "lobster";

Lobsters (inserting "ke") are small sea spiders, then?

No, clani is long, as you well know. Stop confusing the newb= ies.
=A0
> {cmalu ke clani xamsi jukni} =3D "shrimp";

So when I order a small lobster in a Lojbanistan restaurant, I should=
expect to get a shrimp?

No, because you would not = be ordering a {cmalu ke clani ke xamsi jukni}, you would be ordering a {cma= lu clakemxasyjukni}, or a {cmalu claxasyjukni}, or some other {cmalu <lu= jvo for lobster>}
=A0
> {mutce cmalu ke clani xamsi jukni} =3D "krill";

So now I get krill instead of either lobsters or shrimp? =A0I guess t= hey
will have to provide me with a net to dip them out of the water with.

See above.
=A0
> {to'e muvdu xamsi jukni} =3D "barnacle".

So (inserting "ke") barnacles are sea spiders that don'= t move?

You're welcome to provide a more accur= ate description of the sea-dwelling crustacean with the well-known trait of= spending it's entire life attached to some surface such as the hull of= a ship or the skin of a whale. Since {jukni} includes crustaceans, {xamsi = jukni} includes all sea-dwelling {jukni}, and barnacles are the only {xamsi= jukni} that {to'e muvdu}, I'd call it good enough.
=A0

> Not misleading, and jbopre don't have to look it up.

That turns out not to be the case.

Alright, I admit that mi kakne lonu morji pilno zo k= e is shoddy at best. Sue me. You understood me, and that's what matters= . Your arguments against my suggestions are more attacks than stances in an= y event.

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le= bende pe denpa bu

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