Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:48:43 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwQzr-0006OB-7Q; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:48:19 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwQzO-0006Nz-0C for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:47:50 -0700 Received: from mail-bw0-f53.google.com ([209.85.214.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwQzI-0006Nl-Go for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:47:49 -0700 Received: by bwz1 with SMTP id 1so3497141bwz.40 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:47:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Rkhqz6ALxVz2kMpBpTAjmdrgK2/zhNmJUN4qaI8DdqI=; b=TUOkEGGMZwhwHFXUqfbwloMtO3RkbmRaOj4A/Ycapjqs4yHI7700ydKklrrS/zQEhc gFOzdJ+WU5aEKYwDhLW1zP00OEaOWxZBXcuW8BUeyK7yYJTJPkIBfHEoIzeZUPtM+kW/ bF7hJ/TLSWP0g8h7wpNVXmrNjmuBLfCwmfKXo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=rrBeGqimjkdXU1MeA5vRzYpIoCqwvjibv9lKFj1SLPnGWQAv8PlwfihDu44Z9oAIh2 WUZQhgrLm9oEar65qRsp/6LtkFVIIBnor3Us21hkNmzLXkC0D2ldlEVVt2KZ9Dgee6m2 EL3W1rDdMsZTnvs7+B783GgdLTMKEstYFQJDY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.35.5 with SMTP id n5mr3260241bkd.155.1284691662726; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:47:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.153.219 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:47:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201009161103.17292.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 22:47:42 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: crab From: Luke Bergen To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255590ae33e83c04906b9603 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 6900 Lines: 188 --0003255590ae33e83c04906b9603 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 fi'i la xedbig .u'i We really are the most consolidated group of grammar natzi's in the world aren't we? Also, what newbies? This is jbovlaste. On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 3:33 PM, John Cowan wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Jonathan Jones >> wrote: >> >> > {xamsi jukni} = "sea spider"; >> >> Okay, let's go with that and see where the rest of your definitions take >> us. >> >> > {cukla xamsi jukni} = "crab"; >> >> "Cukla xamsi jukni" would be an arthropod living in a round ocean (as >> opposed to those square oceans you see sold in better shops >> everywhere). If you mean "cukla ke xamsi jukni", that would be a >> round sea spider. >> >> > {clani xamsi jukni} = "lobster"; >> >> Lobsters (inserting "ke") are small sea spiders, then? >> > > No, clani is long, as you well know. Stop confusing the newbies. > > >> > {cmalu ke clani xamsi jukni} = "shrimp"; >> >> So when I order a small lobster in a Lojbanistan restaurant, I should >> expect to get a shrimp? >> > > No, because you would not be ordering a {cmalu ke clani ke xamsi jukni}, > you would be ordering a {cmalu clakemxasyjukni}, or a {cmalu claxasyjukni}, > or some other {cmalu } > > >> > {mutce cmalu ke clani xamsi jukni} = "krill"; >> >> So now I get krill instead of either lobsters or shrimp? I guess they >> will have to provide me with a net to dip them out of the water with. >> > > See above. > > >> > {to'e muvdu xamsi jukni} = "barnacle". >> >> So (inserting "ke") barnacles are sea spiders that don't move? >> > > You're welcome to provide a more accurate description of the sea-dwelling > crustacean with the well-known trait of spending it's entire life attached > to some surface such as the hull of a ship or the skin of a whale. Since > {jukni} includes crustaceans, {xamsi jukni} includes all sea-dwelling > {jukni}, and barnacles are the only {xamsi jukni} that {to'e muvdu}, I'd > call it good enough. > > >> >> > Not misleading, and jbopre don't have to look it up. >> >> That turns out not to be the case. >> > > Alright, I admit that mi kakne lonu morji pilno zo ke is shoddy at best. > Sue me. You understood me, and that's what matters. Your arguments against > my suggestions are more attacks than stances in any event. > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > --0003255590ae33e83c04906b9603 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable fi'i la xedbig .u'i

We really are the most conso= lidated group of grammar natzi's in the world aren't we?
=
Also, what newbies? =A0This is jbovlaste.

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 3:33 P= M, John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> {xamsi jukni} =3D "sea spider";

Okay, let's go with that and see where the rest of your definitions tak= e us.

> {cukla xamsi jukni} =3D "crab";

"Cukla xamsi jukni" would be an arthropod living in a round ocean= (as
opposed to those square oceans you see sold in better shops
everywhere). =A0If you mean "cukla ke xamsi jukni", that would be= a
round sea spider.

> {clani xamsi jukni} =3D "lobster";

Lobsters (inserting "ke") are small sea spiders, then?

No, clani is long, as you well know. Stop confusing th= e newbies.
=A0
> {cmalu ke clani xamsi jukni} =3D "shrimp";

So when I order a small lobster in a Lojbanistan restaurant, I should=
expect to get a shrimp?

No, because you woul= d not be ordering a {cmalu ke clani ke xamsi jukni}, you would be ordering = a {cmalu clakemxasyjukni}, or a {cmalu claxasyjukni}, or some other {cmalu = <lujvo for lobster>}
=A0
> {mutce cmalu ke clani xamsi jukni} =3D "krill";

So now I get krill instead of either lobsters or shrimp? =A0I guess t= hey
will have to provide me with a net to dip them out of the water with.

See above.
=A0
> {to'e muvdu xamsi jukni} =3D "barnacle".

So (inserting "ke") barnacles are sea spiders that don'= t move?

You're welcome to provide a more= accurate description of the sea-dwelling crustacean with the well-known tr= ait of spending it's entire life attached to some surface such as the h= ull of a ship or the skin of a whale. Since {jukni} includes crustaceans, {= xamsi jukni} includes all sea-dwelling {jukni}, and barnacles are the only = {xamsi jukni} that {to'e muvdu}, I'd call it good enough.
=A0

> Not misleading, and jbopre don't have to look it up.

That turns out not to be the case.

Alright, I admit that mi kakne lonu morji piln= o zo ke is shoddy at best. Sue me. You understood me, and that's what m= atters. Your arguments against my suggestions are more attacks than stances= in any event.


--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le= bende pe denpa bu


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