Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:02:24 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwRD2-0007hr-Ha; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:01:56 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwRCS-0007hl-Go for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:01:21 -0700 Received: from mail-iw0-f181.google.com ([209.85.214.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwRCO-0007hW-05 for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:01:20 -0700 Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so2010658iwn.40 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:01:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=tdyykH+cg2CDdWNBadxjcdcqewxnBmgBrMmStoPGpVM=; b=wFxSJ8rEy3rNDhY+ZPBOk9YRjf3q+6eGaEDVe1N2HxlDHUfLt7isjlabkhtWvkt0YJ jQZszXE+vrtZQyBdu3cKSxQnov7mLnS8/Gw1IazksurlqLXiGLjRHN8EVTFA7O/EyPEI L9qMlFdSW4EGNN/e96U62nmpn1ubWh8WyTSdQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=I2By2PsRfATA48YdYcF6L4mDD2SsJ7ZZ1zstWJ93V8WEM3EEx1J31tnJABu+YhFtae J/Ko2oduyAnLxRtm1A1xs00OnWRU+YBUazM/1ObbAyfjcf+rYHZW1olGMbwYiVk7UCql q6Khc3sXKGVYayJTorKTBsu0/9cDY7MfhU6VE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.30.134 with SMTP id u6mr4271312ibc.121.1284692474821; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.207.84 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:01:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201009161103.17292.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:01:14 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: crab From: Jonathan Jones To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325579d929b7cf004906bc6d2 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 7998 Lines: 216 --000325579d929b7cf004906bc6d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > fi'i la xedbig .u'i > > We really are the most consolidated group of grammar natzi's in the world > aren't we? > > Also, what newbies? This is jbovlaste. > Probably. And in light of being reminded which list this is, I'm going to answer: me. zo'o On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 3:33 PM, John Cowan wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Jonathan Jones >>> wrote: >>> >>> > {xamsi jukni} = "sea spider"; >>> >>> Okay, let's go with that and see where the rest of your definitions take >>> us. >>> >>> > {cukla xamsi jukni} = "crab"; >>> >>> "Cukla xamsi jukni" would be an arthropod living in a round ocean (as >>> opposed to those square oceans you see sold in better shops >>> everywhere). If you mean "cukla ke xamsi jukni", that would be a >>> round sea spider. >>> >>> > {clani xamsi jukni} = "lobster"; >>> >>> Lobsters (inserting "ke") are small sea spiders, then? >>> >> >> No, clani is long, as you well know. Stop confusing the newbies. >> >> >>> > {cmalu ke clani xamsi jukni} = "shrimp"; >>> >>> So when I order a small lobster in a Lojbanistan restaurant, I should >>> expect to get a shrimp? >>> >> >> No, because you would not be ordering a {cmalu ke clani ke xamsi jukni}, >> you would be ordering a {cmalu clakemxasyjukni}, or a {cmalu claxasyjukni}, >> or some other {cmalu } >> >> >>> > {mutce cmalu ke clani xamsi jukni} = "krill"; >>> >>> So now I get krill instead of either lobsters or shrimp? I guess they >>> will have to provide me with a net to dip them out of the water with. >>> >> >> See above. >> >> >>> > {to'e muvdu xamsi jukni} = "barnacle". >>> >>> So (inserting "ke") barnacles are sea spiders that don't move? >>> >> >> You're welcome to provide a more accurate description of the sea-dwelling >> crustacean with the well-known trait of spending it's entire life attached >> to some surface such as the hull of a ship or the skin of a whale. Since >> {jukni} includes crustaceans, {xamsi jukni} includes all sea-dwelling >> {jukni}, and barnacles are the only {xamsi jukni} that {to'e muvdu}, I'd >> call it good enough. >> >> >>> >>> > Not misleading, and jbopre don't have to look it up. >>> >>> That turns out not to be the case. >>> >> >> Alright, I admit that mi kakne lonu morji pilno zo ke is shoddy at best. >> Sue me. You understood me, and that's what matters. Your arguments against >> my suggestions are more attacks than stances in any event. >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >> >> > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --000325579d929b7cf004906bc6d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gma= il.com> wrote:
fi'i la xedbig .u'i

We really are the most conso= lidated group of grammar natzi's in the world aren't we?
=
Also, what newbies? =A0This is jbovlaste.

=A0Probably. And in light of being reminded which list this is, I&= #39;m going to answer: me. zo'o

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 3:33 PM, John Cowan= <= cowan@ccil.org> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> {xamsi jukni} =3D "sea spider";

Okay, let's go with that and see where the rest of your definitions tak= e us.

> {cukla xamsi jukni} =3D "crab";

"Cukla xamsi jukni" would be an arthropod living in a round ocean= (as
opposed to those square oceans you see sold in better shops
everywhere). =A0If you mean "cukla ke xamsi jukni", that would be= a
round sea spider.

> {clani xamsi jukni} =3D "lobster";

Lobsters (inserting "ke") are small sea spiders, then?

No, clani is long, as you well know. Stop confusing th= e newbies.
=A0
> {cmalu ke clani xamsi jukni} =3D "shrimp";

So when I order a small lobster in a Lojbanistan restaurant, I should=
expect to get a shrimp?

No, because you woul= d not be ordering a {cmalu ke clani ke xamsi jukni}, you would be ordering = a {cmalu clakemxasyjukni}, or a {cmalu claxasyjukni}, or some other {cmalu = <lujvo for lobster>}
=A0
> {mutce cmalu ke clani xamsi jukni} =3D "krill";

So now I get krill instead of either lobsters or shrimp? =A0I guess t= hey
will have to provide me with a net to dip them out of the water with.

See above.
=A0
> {to'e muvdu xamsi jukni} =3D "barnacle".

So (inserting "ke") barnacles are sea spiders that don'= t move?

You're welcome to provide a more= accurate description of the sea-dwelling crustacean with the well-known tr= ait of spending it's entire life attached to some surface such as the h= ull of a ship or the skin of a whale. Since {jukni} includes crustaceans, {= xamsi jukni} includes all sea-dwelling {jukni}, and barnacles are the only = {xamsi jukni} that {to'e muvdu}, I'd call it good enough.
=A0

> Not misleading, and jbopre don't have to look it up.

That turns out not to be the case.

Alright, I admit that mi kakne lonu morji piln= o zo ke is shoddy at best. Sue me. You understood me, and that's what m= atters. Your arguments against my suggestions are more attacks than stances= in any event.


--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le= bende pe denpa bu



--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.= e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

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