Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:52:25 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwdEE-0001Vs-0e; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:51:58 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:51:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwdDc-0001Vj-QE for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:51:21 -0700 Received: from n1.bullet.mail.re4.yahoo.com ([206.190.56.20]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwdDZ-0001St-2p for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:51:20 -0700 Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n1.bullet.re4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2010 15:51:10 -0000 Received: from [66.196.114.23] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2010 15:51:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp310.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2010 15:51:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 449700.62233.bm@omp310.mail.re3.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 32819 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Sep 2010 15:51:10 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1284738670; bh=8xxD3XZ7qVoo7mvCPGsNCRqYtM1HPZR6NpH/rGxXmOk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=n9CeUk1h6Lo0LcOsMlKpuyrkCUtNkQ911QTYo9Lvd7GXodmxjFQWcbhe3kmwf46ky2cpBQPCs8eBw92yXHX7LycynzBqjLKjEp5xgKKYIFV1koA/bl8N65cvnrZHS1QkxDmIBnpjvNanDW4id5urWnSkZD24FPjf3NDYXcVn7rA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Z6ep34jW7ZfEl8F0SCkLmVKUxTznGWn79uPT3uJO9747jy1IZt7n3WQyrDiCHjVYtIY5r3nuZKpM78oVveBcGfwpMxLtBw6SA1o8GilBI2BuggApk1ulzKlHg7qI/Bz+o+vl4HN5bLcsEnrdOHP9QzD+Tb9ccbXtSGdE4cRQKuA=; Message-ID: <275516.32694.qm@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: GvhTgmsVM1nkDETludu9xokyPBPhqE7sR8.l22004wn63Gc TvLLvQ2e9AhqatRRCQ5f9akYaf6wPmkYnDPteDXXWRfOvrB3vWqrzMwaq4Ml FVeFsnV.OxssUOK7K5J7.P7KnwSMMRkrEZrovkkZw1R.DaF.E8VGwPzSn66r S.PiMrPsr13NOBdlLm.zsDVsMVaPTKV2B_4WSZXEC_7MnUMwPfVXz_JFpmqs o8SwM0e_PD05cIY1b9A4Wzdw4_beA7.qMb3.dKXsnNRhqPJe.cw-- Received: from [99.229.170.85] by web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:51:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/497 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <201009161103.17292.phma@phma.optus.nu> <862920.35413.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:51:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: crab To: jbovlaste@lojban.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1899770623-1284738669=:32694" X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 2654 Lines: 45 --0-1899770623-1284738669=:32694 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, what I get out of this significant exchange of =0Aopinions is that:= =0A=0A(1)=A0A lujvo is impracticle.=A0 While one based on {xamsi jukni} =0A= is tempting, not all crabs inhabit the sea.=A0 A lujvo of sufficient =0Apre= cision would be just too long.=0A=0A(2) A type III fu'ivla like {juknrbraxi= ura} is problematical given =0Athe dispute as to whether a crab is really a= {jukni}.=0A=0A(3) That leaves a type IV fui'vla.=A0 Choosing one based on = =0Aa word that is recognizable in only one 'minor' or a few =0A'minor' lang= uages just doesn't make sense to me.=A0=A0 =0AIt should come from either En= glish or Chinese=A0and =0Abe vaguely recognizable in=A0at least several oth= er major =0Alanguages.=A0 Failing that, Linnaean is the way to go. The =0Af= act that it is based on Latin is incidental.=A0 If it was based =0Aon Pidge= on English, it would still be OK.=0A=0A=0ASo for me 'crab' is {braxiura}.= =0A=0Atotus --0-1899770623-1284738669=:32694 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, what I get out of this significant exchange of
=0Aopinions is that:
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(1) A lujvo is im= practicle.  While one based on {xamsi jukni}
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is tempting= , not all crabs inhabit the sea.  A lujvo of sufficient
=0A
= precision would be just too long.
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(2) A ty= pe III fu'ivla like {juknrbraxiura} is problematical given
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th= e dispute as to whether a crab is really a {jukni}.
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(3) That leaves a type IV fui'vla.  Choosing one based on =0A
a word that is recognizable in only one 'minor' or a few
= =0A
'minor' languages just doesn't make sense to me.  
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It should come from either English or Chinese and
=0Abe vaguely recognizable in at least several other major
=0Alanguages.  Failing that, Linnaean is the way to go. The
=0Afact that it is based on Latin is incidental.  If it was based =0A
on Pidgeon English, it would still be OK.
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So for me 'crab' is {braxiura}.
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totus
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