Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 10:58:30 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwIij-0005RR-HP; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 10:58:06 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Thu, 16 Sep 2010 10:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwIiB-0005Qg-SX for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 10:57:32 -0700 Received: from mail-vw0-f53.google.com ([209.85.212.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwIht-0005MF-Qe for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 10:57:31 -0700 Received: by vws15 with SMTP id 15so1352083vws.40 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 10:57:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=CP/AxdEsamUJZwvVzyu2vh05eVFuefoH08tFPgT4vPs=; b=q5neTrgbMFn8tZH840aBV9+5Hmx+2iC+btkvuBhLkc6niGimYSOYbQhtRyO2bJoRAs 0t4zuvQYcOxhaM3U1kNViQXcOnMoqK1NS4y112afN0CW65Q5DCExrVGhT9ZWLEV2Y2BV NHkbfnz08w0pPCcz7kNmCsoWAGC6L5RlZv5k8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xacXFf9TMRprXdUAa1y5aXGZUJoEzriHwZW1rtubxITwD1AS59P4a0o5QCofBLD0iM HgEVopVDgb0B3SlW8hrbfg8ps5g346SGsCuxZb4TjTMU8vrluMrGCmWkviuGo4OnzBbG aTuEOlfICvMeMI34WA+V9sTFiNs8mWpJxViEU= Received: by 10.220.47.138 with SMTP id n10mr2015264vcf.43.1284659827253; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 10:57:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.190.203 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 10:56:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <001485e6020da5a46f0490641cbf@google.com> References: <001485e6020da5a46f0490641cbf@google.com> From: "* Hieran Makhwali" Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:56:47 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: crab To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: sarefo@googlemail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 1984 Lines: 90 i just want to prevent we end up going down this road: http://jbovlaste.lojban.org//dict/skargolu mi'e manti On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:52 PM, wrote: > I don't see this as "culturalization" it seems to me something along the > lines of the gismu choice (we have patfu and mamta, after all!). I would say > that is in line with the lojban spirit to go back to the orginal roots of > the words (latin, greek, proto-indoeuropean, chinese, arabic, ...) for > common use words. Something that could be common to a high number of people. > > I would revert to fu'ivla based on taxonomy or other scientific names only > if I want to indicate explicitly which type of animal I'm talking about. > > I consider "culturalization" to propose, for example, to base a word on > "chicken" to mean "coward" and this is clearly a no-no. > > On , * Hieran Makhwali wrote: >> pierre, i'm well aware of your continuing efforts to culturalize >> >> lojban. i don't think this is the way to go. >> >> >> >> mi'e cirzgamanti >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Pierre Abbat phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote: >> >> > On Thursday 16 September 2010 11:55:23 A. PIEKARSKI wrote: >> >> >> Why not stick to something generally recognizable >> >> >> or based on Linnaean? >> >> >> >> >> >> fu'ivla type III:    juknrbrakiura >> >> >> fu'ivla type IV:    barkura/brakiura (yes, they probably need to be >> >> >> massaged). >> >> > >> >> > "braxiura" (I prefer the 'x' since it's from a Greek chi) is perfectly >> > valid. >> >> > jbofi'e seems to think it's a lujvo (it translates it as "being big >> > ??(s)"), >> >> > but it's not. >> >> > >> >> > I think the set of people who know the scientific name of crabs is much >> >> > smaller than the set of people who know the Spanish or Arabic name. >> >> > >> >> > Pierre >> >> > -- >> >> > Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>