Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:36:32 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwLBg-0001TR-Kl; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:36:09 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwLBA-0001TL-58 for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:35:36 -0700 Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com ([74.125.82.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwLB5-0001Su-9Z for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:35:35 -0700 Received: by wyf28 with SMTP id 28so1748012wyf.40 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:35:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=2IQVt0/D/j3ct3BoYcYb88Gcp2rUFGRTGX6qbkdlDIg=; b=FqMQ6EdYg5boPuzJx/+Lcut8CovjXSX8bxdde3lzPuCHf9855NVzGknge2ivSfJB1p +52x6BykyhHaoI7wFLR+XaBRPD/i8S4MYWQ5W8ka3b6/KSNkRhQmfkgXEulFOdj6pTRE ggpidIy5MbuyH0vsGRjLZ6x2WbAD66uv2t1J8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=FqIB5dSU/ha60BqvokK0E/w3f86LOurvbH5DKQM2iSSs4/uNPp4vPJ1rP/EGf5XD5E wodIudl9/2b/eGUvj6kkydIlbIqGL3scgCCkjtehyedbo17x/5+uDaw5Xd95e3lcq+mz GphAoLt0hosOPehpVgtklFuuxnB5qqev3jHPU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.134.144 with SMTP id j16mr3377685wbt.50.1284669324155; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.12.197 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:35:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <001485e6020da5a46f0490641cbf@google.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 04:35:23 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: MeErGodA4ch0rf2uYNg2-BMcmWI Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: crab From: Zarathustra Goertzel To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636832f2cb85dc2049066627a X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: Zar@goertzel.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 3339 Lines: 83 --001636832f2cb85dc2049066627a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Agreed. I think one of the points of Lojban is to give as many words logical roots as possible. Why? We want to have a clue as to the meaning without having to look the word up in the dictionary. It can't be perfect, but if this aesthetic is ignored for a non-cultural word such as 'crab,' then Lojban will simply lose one of its advantages over many natural languages. I think most of us would rather not see this happen. On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:56 AM, * Hieran Makhwali > wrote: > >> i just want to prevent we end up going down this road: >> >> http://jbovlaste.lojban.org//dict/skargolu >> >> mi'e manti >> > > I'm am very much in agreement with this. I am very much against fu'ivla in > general (, anyone who has read my posts RE:{lo sutra zerle'a cpidze} already > knows my vehemence on this subject), and much prefer describing something in > Lojban unless such is not possible. > > The other jbovlaste entry for snail, by the way, is {cakcurnu}, "shelled > worm". > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > --001636832f2cb85dc2049066627a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Agreed. I think one of the points of Lojban is to give as many words logica= l roots as possible. Why? We want to have a clue as to the meaning without = having to look the word up in the dictionary. It can't be perfect, but = if this aesthetic is ignored for a non-cultural word such as 'crab,'= ; then Lojban will simply lose one of its advantages over many natural lang= uages. I think most of us would rather not see this happen.

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Jonathan Jo= nes <eyeonus@gmai= l.com> wrote:


On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 a= t 11:56 AM, * Hieran Makhwali <sarefo@googlemail.com> wr= ote:
i just want to prevent we end up going down this road:

ht= tp://jbovlaste.lojban.org//dict/skargolu

mi'e manti

I'm am very much in agree= ment with this. I am very much against fu'ivla in general (, anyone who= has read my posts RE:{lo sutra zerle'a cpidze} already knows my veheme= nce on this subject), and much prefer describing something in Lojban unless= such is not possible.

The other jbovlaste entry for snail, by the way, is {cakcurnu}, "s= helled worm".


--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e= ko klama le bende pe denpa bu


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