Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:04:59 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OxnXJ-0005pX-Ij; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:04:30 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OxnWa-0005pA-WC for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:03:45 -0700 Received: from web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.38.69]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OxnWV-0005mv-JP for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:03:44 -0700 Received: (qmail 82770 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Sep 2010 21:03:32 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1285016612; bh=ObaW3Hmx1XjyCKYkCqCGiDHhKBhkEKQB1nSwpoqQjfs=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hPUpuhG4OeUO+GmJJhKdaS5u+Cht96hEZIeU8NXIR/V5Ti+mkagPKUHA52MId5/63/zukPf5zfk6IFsf2K3G9HTHJau7/VYNnVCSgkdKucHlXOKw5gJ6iKtOFh5OiB10MkqvybuigofsYFuJ6go1GnjxddGGp/RqQ6va++nHWBw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LgEKNqRPxalUDQc7nA6Z36qpYj1uFsbaVWHWYJOOQwHu8NreUkl7vNOb416aeoxKrpeh/wqnNqCy5VTyk1OtiK9idgLMSyzIURjhnqOIMFpe1dVKdLgP0IEbJ+tk8XWOwXwnztNJSQCHpxpilrZLlwjb/LV6xkAufoBPQXTPYBQ=; Message-ID: <864971.81321.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: l19RY8wVM1ls8OaKS7NGLoTBVbeCriDlyzT5ZiEFL6LUgeU AVWl35P8uASpcyxTAMvQ5.4wwwHG_iKOrwUPN.fDjmT7lwQBY1sDR0Z_08R6 haQP8WxHzLwU3TpVrNKo.KPf3iSS9FDYNNBVX9TdPCtzlLnt4c5ZSLd9fUWJ TnzBKvgIFRxVaga7KFUCUGPndRLk.ufKPGbcvDNXQ0Y_eUnx_RGvqEmlVfDP 964_EcA9UvKjMTW7.QGukKdPm6iqz8azALtGkGpWRmg95SYd5.fBTyaQuLqT hzIMENbjEp6nbetku4bjppNqL00IDhCPEdfcDA7lJLYFSXCYEEq11TmWVDa. clnvZLIPFuAO8DG0mXyJgvUlvUEPW Received: from [166.190.55.192] by web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:03:32 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.9 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:03:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Lindar Greenwood Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: accordion/concertina To: jbovlaste@lojban.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lindarthebard@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 843 Lines: 20 > > An English concertina has buttons on both side, and > the > > arrangement is unlike a piano. Does it qualify as > pipno? Actually both English and German have buttons on both sides. The difference is whether it plays a different note on draw vs. push or plays the same note. > I'd say yes.  I think what makes something a "pipno" > is that it has > various notes/sounds triggered by batke, regardless of > their shape or > arrangement. I'll agree, but at the same time, http://vlasisku.lojban.org/xagri it is actually a reed instrument. Perhaps a lujvo is in order? I wouldn't fault anybody for calling it a xagri or a pipno, but maybe pipnyxagri/pi'orxagri/xagrypipno/xagrypi'o would be more appropriate? I'd say "pipnyxagri" is more appropriate for a concertina whereas "xagrypi'o"/"xagrypipno" is more like a reed organ.