Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:52:39 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OxoHX-0000vs-5y; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:52:15 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OxoGz-0000vm-IZ for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:51:41 -0700 Received: from earth.ccil.org ([192.190.237.11]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OxoGv-0000vY-OH for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:51:41 -0700 Received: from cowan by earth.ccil.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OxoGt-0005Sx-K4 for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:51:35 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:51:35 -0400 From: John Cowan To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: accordion/concertina Message-ID: <20100920215135.GA16283@mercury.ccil.org> References: <864971.81321.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <864971.81321.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: cowan@mercury.ccil.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 1238 Lines: 29 Lindar Greenwood scripsit: > > I'd say yes.  I think what makes something a "pipno" is that it has > > various notes/sounds triggered by batke, regardless of their shape > > or arrangement. > > I'll agree, but at the same time, http://vlasisku.lojban.org/xagri > it is actually a reed instrument. Perhaps a lujvo is in order? We don't want to wind up calling a modern flute or clarinet a pipno, even though it too is played with keys, to say nothing of the keyed valves of a brass instrument. I think the true mark of the pipno is not the keys (despite what the gismu list says) but the _action_, the part that allows finger movements to _indirectly_ cause the sound-producing elements to be actuated. This distinguishes the piano, the organ, the harpsichord, and the accordion from the hammer dulcimer, the recorder, the guitar, and the harmonica respectively. While we are at it, two-term lujvo for single-reed (e.g. clarinet), double-reed (e.g. oboe) and free-reed (e.g. harmonica) instruments would be a good thing to have. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org I amar prestar aen, han mathon ne nen, http://www.ccil.org/~cowan han mathon ne chae, a han noston ne 'wilith. --Galadriel, LOTR:FOTR