Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:07:54 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OxoWG-0001pl-JQ; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:07:28 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OxoVd-0001pf-Ro for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:06:50 -0700 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.121]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OxoVa-0001pX-2Y for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:06:49 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=88hQlV/VnhrPhhPadeRuWHBNMc0qRjlK2a7+9yZesI4= c=1 sm=0 a=_SyHxpoLSYsA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=U1-IUpO2cN2y7pkpPfgA:9 a=Gz_b9LZli-T3sdVUYldsbq3oKU0A:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:48708] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 52/EE-29299-FEAD79C4; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:06:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251041302C for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:06:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: accordion/concertina Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:06:08 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <864971.81321.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <864971.81321.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201009201806.12908.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 1387 Lines: 30 On Monday 20 September 2010 17:03:32 Lindar Greenwood wrote: > Actually both English and German have buttons on both sides. The difference > is whether it plays a different note on draw vs. push or plays the same > note. I was comparing the English concertina with the accordion. There's also the Anglo concertina, which has different notes on draw and push and has buttons in arcs. > I'll agree, but at the same time, http://vlasisku.lojban.org/xagri it is > actually a reed instrument. Perhaps a lujvo is in order? I wouldn't fault > anybody for calling it a xagri or a pipno, but maybe > pipnyxagri/pi'orxagri/xagrypipno/xagrypi'o would be more appropriate? I'd > say "pipnyxagri" is more appropriate for a concertina whereas > "xagrypi'o"/"xagrypipno" is more like a reed organ. The examples of reed instruments in the definition are all woodwinds, in which a single or double reed has little effect on the pitch, which is chosen by closing holes in a tube or cone that encloses an air column. The concertina, accordion, melodica, and harmonica are tuned-reed instruments, in which the pitch is determined entirely by the reed, and there is no air column. Then there are reed pipes in a pipe organ. They have both a tuned reed (in some, the air pressure is part of the tuning) and a tuned air column. Pierre -- Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen.