Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:48:44 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OxkTT-000660-An; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:48:19 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OxkSm-00064y-2K for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:47:36 -0700 Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com ([74.125.82.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OxkSh-0005uQ-9b for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:47:35 -0700 Received: by wwb18 with SMTP id 18so534017wwb.10 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:47:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=stBAhBXQxNmG6gFdSBV+W99S+mm6uzx8qvtQmjDopaw=; b=M8+1uf/I8R7b1UcmV5PYbJFz5oO8/O2A7WvAjA8MOXgXcQ3ele5o4/DZBRQOY1kw8V SEhemG7afWqBeSHUL2/6LVRpdVROZBs+DaWDcnEo37tGPoZyK4D2FTjphhBUu8p7OFem VCMlNutv8sn0W9sutjSOf7g+R6VWWFEYwLKiQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=s7iUZ0iRJxTofayH2Z3qXDr1+HAxEjfldsfSL9r0fiZ4w+2tUTZLYT58RRkYxpM0Y9 OQ6tCDq1psHGasau6gntSuowF8/QRiks7CYizdSBOWa6wJKIBXGsjy3qBOMfgXeCdjq9 TcHLjY/1e/hIOKW2Nbj8lvxH1mNzU7FeFxuyA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.144.129 with SMTP id z1mr2186805wbu.85.1285004844389; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.151.203 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:47:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <589275.89862.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <201009201112.09884.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201009201248.49687.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:47:24 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Alice in Wonderland 10 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 904 Lines: 40 On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:31 PM, John Cowan wrote: > > Unfortunately, I wasn't around when the gimsu, er, gismu were built, > or I would have insisted on weeding out all such metathesis-identical > pairs.  At present there are 20: > > bartu bratu > bruna burna > cikre ckire > cinta cnita > citno ctino > garna grana > gerku greku > jbini jibni > kruji kurji > marji mraji > pelji pleji > sakci skaci > samcu smacu > sarji sraji > stura sutra > tarti trati > tirna trina > tisna tsina > stali tsali > stani tsani > > I think it's important that if we do end up making new gismu > (something I am *not* in favor of), we don't make any more such pairs. You missed the ratcu/ractu variety, so more than 20. I don't find them too annoying when the meanings are completely unrelated though. It's the conflation of related meaning and similar form that I mind the most. mu'o mi'e xorxes