Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 08:39:36 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3W5O-00039O-PU; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 08:39:19 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Wed, 06 Oct 2010 08:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3W4m-00039E-CR for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 08:38:40 -0700 Received: from n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com ([68.142.237.91]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3W4j-00038w-7t for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 08:38:40 -0700 Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2010 15:38:31 -0000 Received: from [66.196.114.22] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2010 15:38:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp309.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2010 15:38:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 152576.87195.bm@omp309.mail.re3.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 55134 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2010 15:38:31 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1286379510; bh=BrOKbgXF9HNSh2fearbIx3bGbpeGiRHRRqXLaHmtiko=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uZ5mMBJJIYg62syGbSJZsHzfFcu+ui8XOl/XCwHGgD4ZJoD8bAjTLaFtFKIpDJq5ObJc33OYasR0L1XbJJGLL+BtFN9x7mJtovaluX8aUVPWqBWTmNoJ0IUQ6h0OA2srdFeM+jFH/UsKNsgz5ryYpxaXnh+tR4NvUAaqdoI4aHE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=z6UfWZhN+mVLhlZ4SecXaSkjHHReycTTz7kEGBv64FgWDCZqXPTGh5gpNXvmaNiKkrfqh63306L30WILrNLnyS/1NzsTNBQzJP8gxJCe7x/hDR1mTJOt84exi1h3pl0KpPsatUTpbpzfrRRpg0LI8yEEmVCTujCTBxHyFFk8TU4=; Message-ID: <844066.52599.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: E0WmvxkVM1k8hfRTzy2g.EyM3aWeO8QdqvCqfk9k_hSX_SZ fKmbMIjbuhiDFvNdDhmwq99KWOGmHY9EsxP5F77u5xSKWxvRSS728HKBeheK gAnS7bHZrm42lAoPPCT6chBcaieMP4B_uek3K6mSQyqSbmwRc.SE_T_ntqzq NjJdu9yBAzrmX4uOvNHKTxvM7LiOVf3P8D_LpXTMnXVmIt3fXdmyEvHT50.m WFXICuAKmw2SZ4h6ZBkqg0nfF_ALKe4bzshLVZ1PkY_O7pTD2Pg-- Received: from [99.229.170.85] by web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 08:38:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/504.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.106.282862 References: <558537.71010.qm@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <94562.10866.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 08:38:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Alice in Wonderland 12 To: jbovlaste@lojban.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 841 Lines: 31 > >> > 3) naijgi > >> > > >> > j1 is a patriot of nation n1 > >> > > >> > from > >> > j1 jgira lonu n1 natmi n2 > >> > > >> > >>   Your English doesn't match your lojban, but I wonder if n2 should > >> be/must be/shouldn't be =j1? > > > > Ouch! Then I'm surprised you didn't offer a alternative with better English:) > > > > I find the structure of gismu definitions frequently makes the use of good > > English difficult. > >   But can you be a patriot about about a people you are not a part of? > That's my question.  (I suppose you can say that Lee Harvey Oswald > was a Cuban patriot despite not being Cuban (or more contemporarily, > Rachel Corrie/Palestine).  But if so, then the n2 doesn't seem to be > needed at all.  What does it add? So you see my dilemma). Then how would you say 'Paul Revere was an American patriot'?