Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 09:00:04 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3WOf-00042O-8x; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 08:59:13 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Wed, 06 Oct 2010 08:58:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3WNi-00042I-7C for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 08:58:14 -0700 Received: from mail-qw0-f53.google.com ([209.85.216.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3WNf-00041z-8i for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 08:58:14 -0700 Received: by qwe5 with SMTP id 5so5695860qwe.40 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 08:58:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1lbtu//8mg1DwppuJrR/7A1HX0Aof62HJFYBKPfgoJc=; b=xQybuwZAK3lIi4K9+tp2QPzBJKXlGVhffL8eRNhuTHKHtZ5X9iTz5SFuR0LvgxnMlH XstAZtiv9BQvvndCa78cObNu419JGsHCSecAbkU3Nz9hYdtGfi8ivKkFRK7DrKDdBb5z CGJTAM/vOSRQ/AQ/MPcrag5washTWTDv1pR70= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LImxlA3t2rxSFlNHMowUbNROkFxcCvslwKGFDXeXqLORzz8FPC65JikismC4a+lXMc h7t4Qe9uFmoiy4Cddv+B7vBi6BXYcKeT0ytZ/j6hCZg9QqSNRJf5DegnilLIjGW4ObuU cZiLxgUftFb9Dz0gzwlFXEfvVDbzATOKUoflU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.3.3 with SMTP id 3mr9624798qal.181.1286380684889; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 08:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.85.3 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 08:58:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <844066.52599.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <558537.71010.qm@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <94562.10866.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <844066.52599.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 11:58:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Alice in Wonderland 12 From: Michael Turniansky To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 1170 Lines: 42 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:38 AM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > > >> >> > 3) naijgi >> >> > >> >> > j1 is a patriot of nation n1 >> >> > >> >> > from >> >> > j1 jgira lonu n1 natmi n2 >> >> > >> >> >> >>   Your English doesn't match your lojban, but I wonder if n2 should >> >> be/must be/shouldn't be =j1? >> > >> > Ouch! Then I'm surprised you didn't offer a alternative with better > English:) >> > >> > I find the structure of gismu definitions frequently makes the use of good >> > English difficult. >> >>   But can you be a patriot about about a people you are not a part of? >> That's my question.  (I suppose you can say that Lee Harvey Oswald >> was a Cuban patriot despite not being Cuban (or more contemporarily, >> Rachel Corrie/Palestine).  But if so, then the n2 doesn't seem to be >> needed at all.  What does it add? So you see my dilemma). > > > Then how would you say 'Paul Revere was an American patriot'? > la pal.rivir naijgi lo merko Why is that problematic for you? What your lojban definition really should be, I think: j1=n2 jgira tu'a n1 (or j1=n2 jgira lo du'u n1 natmi ce'u, if you must) -- gejyspa