Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 09:31:37 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3Wtf-0004XG-PH; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 09:31:15 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Wed, 06 Oct 2010 09:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3Wsj-0004Wg-5S for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 09:30:17 -0700 Received: from n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com ([68.142.237.93]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3Wsf-0004TN-Qu for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 09:30:16 -0700 Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2010 16:30:07 -0000 Received: from [66.196.97.142] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2010 16:30:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp110.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2010 16:30:07 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 341833.57745.bm@omp110.mail.re3.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 63694 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2010 16:30:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1286382605; bh=EmQG7iExKAx4rxtZC/HrlhszzS3QtYe0PFocusv0YDI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bxkJ3FvUdiZ3xGRzAeIb+ZD0BVmJM3fnhqUGas3Zzd+YH6muVyeV60VaCil2mFhesO9wjnVO1jfAvAEaamm96yUHRXoALVg4IpOiy/IEVesg1tbT0MY2K7MugwV0VhiXLXgtBH25lzwFR2p1Yh7uRX8Y38kQcUdtnZvnMbDO74c= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OLPIGqlPzP5xpfB5SIO4vMfCWliJtPdKWSpYlLGbE1fr/aDeW4RlwXQu9s3rFvUISt7TRDmf0gQ3tjkt9ciBI7fm4dUtQ+f3rgdZvmDS2j/BYl9/5Iv6NOp1ItkbyIPv6iZRpv1RIM1TePAlqJIX9qfjKku2zZMRKxUSKkXXJzY=; Message-ID: <493503.61813.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 2WP1u5EVM1lCpN77OlVJKlCUdxkNEFpKCxhJODsFi5ZlfxD UtCxVyOY62OEsz7migtFOekiWbgeYOQkKhATvtSeJ9vsl18ga7JtlROPkPES bzVJReKZEIFd98TBMY2WRgyCFkpZpmzkVET4ca.MUSZu_uIBbjFQ4NBJYxQp sjwh5ZetFUEslKpnFX.wYB0l.y8Y7_PSg6tZtn1o4.7rhwkL91txLd4j4TAj iDYoKyz8ek7Wry5aLjTH9xD6muH1z6mtamNEn7349lpuPew2YIcKmwSh8ssj 1Eovk1AUx.sC8g3f1yO.BbhLGrQ-- Received: from [99.229.170.85] by web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 09:30:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/504.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.106.282862 References: <558537.71010.qm@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <94562.10866.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <844066.52599.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:30:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Alice in Wonderland 12 To: jbovlaste@lojban.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 521 Lines: 26 > > > > > > Then how would you say 'Paul Revere was an American patriot'? > > > >   la pal.rivir naijgi lo merko > >   Why is that problematic for you? It isn't.  But to me that is exactly what 'j1 is a patriot of nation n1' gives you. The issue seesm to be whether one is patriotic about the nation or its peoples (or something broader as {lo merko} suggests).   >   What your lojban definition really should be, I think: > > j1=n2 jgira tu'a n1 (or j1=n2 jgira lo du'u n1 natmi ce'u, if you must) > totus