Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 11:50:09 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3Z3c-00061n-Cy; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 11:49:40 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Wed, 06 Oct 2010 11:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3Z2G-00061g-HX for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 11:48:16 -0700 Received: from n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com ([68.142.237.94]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3Z2C-00061A-2Z for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 11:48:16 -0700 Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2010 18:48:05 -0000 Received: from [66.196.114.75] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2010 18:48:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp304.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2010 18:48:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 920108.71314.bm@omp304.mail.re3.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 4101 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2010 18:48:05 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1286390885; bh=A5jX0x2OgfcTxSuMP45sPOSqfVfX6m1zGXB31eDmlNE=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=T7jfiQn3iPA8JYIjXZ1hwHbc+TSUBaWfr7vGqThUOaBKR/LM12X2BMCC07A5bu+fuuXXB5A1/ycAHaRPGb5b/QSYis0TdAlxS5WxSrpO9p4JCiItZ09wGDAX5kLLqZ4UwHhOw2NAVVVPgzsxHUGXwT607Szoz70ZaT2Mb08rNDo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fFYWhoq4dx4Q3f7hjkZXMPZJGLQyNshNgo5CvxEthm6mAepTnYAA7Mh44dpd5mnhKSWdu17KM3JkdvYEZPD6NChf2OutDR2PVbG+9915ZVGA7WAz3EsXO+O1XG1p6opPma+UB2HdTu4XwtLRWp68G2HjNgRF6MolmYUyIu8S1fw=; Message-ID: <622912.3007.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: jOv0LX8VM1kGdc.1hEhIqUV5csun0P_5ermUc3dh4FgJMG8 ErZ2DMhQXsDnIUVgxZBShCJXeJnTl7HwD7KSSfY0UjZ5PVHr.omeSqSm6BfQ j6OA3_mQvlHUBDYUsbo_uGjVgplPWnTSkELJD_oZ0uKD.b6RFi4G2EWom6Uy V8L5nsesNCBOKmQn0CD8_X2sUdM.dN_kV_dlO9aax6_TXb80SnD2CHrMPfbn uIOtnMfbRmRFmqGDRFfQrk7RdiYJZ1SVxk3aVTJEmsct20o5pB.IXjkEWKRz OfNWo6g.AptvCfrYfIA-- Received: from [99.229.170.85] by web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 11:48:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/504.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.106.282862 References: <558537.71010.qm@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <94562.10866.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <844066.52599.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <493503.61813.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 11:48:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Alice in Wonderland 12 To: jbovlaste@lojban.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 816 Lines: 30 > >> > Then how would you say 'Paul Revere was an American patriot'? > >> > > >> > >>   la pal.rivir naijgi lo merko > >> > >>   Why is that problematic for you? > > > > It isn't.  But to me that is exactly what > > 'j1 is a patriot of nation n1' gives you. > > > > The issue seesm to be whether one is patriotic about the nation > > or its peoples (or something broader as {lo merko} suggests). > > > >   Possibly, but then how does your queried English sentence illustrate > that?  My question why is your original definition "X is proud of the > event of Y being the nation of person Z"? > Ah! Because x1 in many gismu definitions can be singular or plural, I interpreted {natmi} as: n1 is a national/nation of peoples n2, and therefore j1=n1.  I see that's wrong now.  Thanks for you patience. totus