Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:56:47 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3vde-0001nW-Ha; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:56:22 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3vcl-0001nQ-7T for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:55:27 -0700 Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com ([74.125.82.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3vci-0001nE-5l for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:55:27 -0700 Received: by wwc33 with SMTP id 33so207176wwc.10 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:55:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=2SG0JFNKsmpj8+A+hi4knvCrCROox/zEFL8XPPfMKBk=; b=X1uSyAPk6l3shB70l3Am9juwcYUCxNN2WLQFVjLj6YEal7k5bL6jSDtIiirC2DyKgi cjOJc9MrtyH11YQJKFr567Pl44hS3f7mYfb+yCTHGFHGvR/Go9dl6zJWKCG1PXdxH1Rx SEI1haZ49lVCcVyRvTa3fmnQUvBSbQudUa4Ns= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=Tr8PNQDnvy9CUIAjqeyi6je5LwMgmy3uRYZo+xCoGtmb9C5P4ffBg7bkB1qgGjPd3d vCn7W1ZrP1YQWk6zQ1veEXEfGTFhoVW6llebcPhjdicPU1J/V2guMh1vNzI0od3o2Yw4 xbkxhAMcOAYYjMYba5lE4kPPZ7BFJ7+W2t1lg= Received: by 10.227.136.85 with SMTP id q21mr1220362wbt.229.1286477717780; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:55:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.139.198 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 11:54:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <978607.64371.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <558537.71010.qm@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <201010070900.05461.phma@phma.optus.nu> <978607.64371.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> From: Stela Selckiku Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:54:47 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Alice in Wonderland 12 To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: selckiku@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 810 Lines: 19 On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:11 AM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > > {natpa'i} already exists in jbovlaste:patriot; nationalist > I would understand a {naijgi} to be a milder version of a {natpa'i}. I wouldn't think they would be mild vs strong, exactly. I'd think a naijgi is someone who's proud of their nation, and a natpa'i is someone who loves their nation. You might be naijgi without having the depth of feeling to be natpa'i, so it could be milder in that sense, but I'd think you could also be very natpa'i without being naijgi, for instance if your nation which you deeply love is taking actions about which you're ashamed. It seems to me they're both good translations for "patriotic", depending on context, and it seems to me a beautiful and useful distinction. mi'e .telselkik. mu'o